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something often heard by someone who has

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experienced something anomalous is

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i didn't ask for this

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i didn't ask to have my life turned

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upside down i didn't ask for my thoughts

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to constantly be on ufos

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and always stuck on thinking about what

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peeked into my consciousness

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and why me

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what did i do

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i needed guidance and some help on how

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to live

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i was already lost and now i just feel

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how is any of this supposed to help

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me mean i can barely talk about it it's

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a struggle to tell someone i've known my

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sometimes when i do they'll look at me

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like i'm crazy and you know what i feel

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crazy i try to debunk my experience

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so who are they to claim dominance over

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and it's not fair to treat me like i'm

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weird because i've experienced something

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they haven't

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it's not fair to judge me against others

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who have said similar things

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but may have been lying

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it's not fair to treat me like i asked

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for this i didn't

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now that doesn't mean i know what it is

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and what i

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saw doesn't mean i know any more about

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this than anyone else

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but i'd like to know

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in my lifetime

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would be nice to deal with some other

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questions in life and focus on something

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else for a change

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and not be handcuffed to a giant

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question

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who are they

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why are they here

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and what do they want with me

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what do they want with us

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are we an active participant in whatever

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is happening here or more of an innocent

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it pains me most to think about all the

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people that passed away never having any

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of these questions answered although

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some people have spent their entire life

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looking for an answer only to die no

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farther along than i am

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so why am i saying all this

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i guess it's because i feel like

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experiences and the people who have them

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are often forgotten when in fact they

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we are going to gain any momentum on

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finding out what the different phenomena

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are

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trying to prove their existence by

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constantly battling over navy videos or

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government secrets and who's right and

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who's wrong it hasn't made any headway

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in 75 years and that is not likely to

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change

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but we can

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change we can move forward in knowing

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the phenomenon is real

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and when we finally do that

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we can truly confront its implications

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and move forward with an understanding

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that this life isn't what we thought

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it's actually more robust than we

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and in a way more beautiful

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so i'm turning to the next chapter

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here i come

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what's up everybody thanks for being

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hey sean that was

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what an excellent intro that was

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beautiful that's really nice

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thanks music was great the eye candy was

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uh all the text was very heartfelt and

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it was beautiful man that was awesome

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thanks

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yeah it came from the old ticker

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yeah man

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i love you to see you

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yeah

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do something uh meaningful impactful of

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course you know and i was just

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uh thinking of all that different stuff

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today and just wanted a way to put it

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out there um so i did that i know it's

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five minutes but i do hope people

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appreciate it i do appreciate the

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comments in there on the video i do

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appreciate it

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very nice of you so thanks for joining

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us how have you been uh last week we

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were uh talking to

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um mr randall nickerson i thought that

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how have you been since

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i've been good yeah i feel like that

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intro did a great job of kind of

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bringing in a lot of the sentiment

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that um we explored with randall uh last

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week and it was great to see that um

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that last week's episode um got some

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traction and got some conversations

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started online which is really

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really cool to see um i've been well

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i've been well

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that's because you opened up you know

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with experiences and people who have

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you know it's it's touching it's moving

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and it gets um

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it gets the ball rolling in different

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ways you know and thinking about the

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implications and what people deal with

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when they have experiences

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and how real this is because uh when it

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comes down to the human emotion they're

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you can't fake that you know that that's

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real and p and

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people don't have to analyze it they can

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turn off their brains and they can feel

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it too

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you know so i think that's

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i thought that was awesome so that was a

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really awesome moment it's uh

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why i do this so

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oh man oh i appreciate that but you know

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um it's great to have this place where

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we can do that and it feels like you

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doing this consistently with you for

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eight months now it's been about eight

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months and um wow has it been that long

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yeah isn't that cool and then i mean we

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so that's eight months right there and

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and um before that you know we'd

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you'd had me on about once a month for

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maybe three or four months before that

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shoot and i couldn't get enough of you

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either but i think that you know

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the you already had a really wonderful

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searching tone established

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months we've really developed a dialogue

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last week you know it's it's all a

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process of kind of like evolving with

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each other and with the audience and and

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how we were able to explore these themes

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you know i i think as much as

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as you're pointing at me i'm pointing

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you know it's that classic situation of

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when you when you point at somebody you

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got three fingers pointed right back at

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you right

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yeah and you deserve a lot of credit for

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for what you do with this show i

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appreciate it man yeah it's not uh it

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can be you know to like a lot of things

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in life they could be somewhat thankless

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chat and people on twitter and you know

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folks like yourself um

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activate the feels you know and that's

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what it's all about that's the reminder

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you know i'm doing this to begin with is

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that's kind of like my hint that it's

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right whatever you're doing is right

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you're touching something beautiful you

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know and and that's hard to measure so

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what were we gonna talk about today

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well one thing you know we've got a lot

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of great things to talk about

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realize what some of the undercurrent

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like why i was thanking randall

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aerial phenomenon

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touched on previously

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and but one thing that we didn't touch

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on and it was partially by design um

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because it was it was important for us

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to focus on randall's current work is

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that randall was one of the first people

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as an experiencer publicly on television

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such a pioneer in that regard

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where my admiration was coming from

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you know being able to take come from

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that perspective and he got hammered he

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got hammered for it by like incredibly

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for for and you know people would

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publicly debate in magazines and

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newspapers about you know when we talked

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about you know were the abductees

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crazy or are they looking for fame or is

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a function of a misunderstanding of

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sleep and dreams and things like that

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talking in part about randall

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recognize um

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and you know move through a lot of

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processing and be able to

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um come back with as strong of a

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statement as aerial phenomenon and his

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upcoming films will be so what a revenge

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to her huh

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that's absolutely right that's a good

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way to look at it yeah or or a hero's

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journey yeah yeah or both yeah that's

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more positive spin yeah

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you know i can

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relate on a very small

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small small teeny scale but it's like

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you know i have the same kind of

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attitude where

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you know when i would play music

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and release songs you know if if one

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didn't go over a well or somebody gave a

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bad review or something i would go back

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to the the office the studio right i'd

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be like oh yeah yeah you didn't like

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that one huh okay well okay you know a

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few months later or whatever it's like

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how about this you know or whatever yeah

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except for him it was like 14 years

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later or whatever but you know even more

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than that but

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um yeah um

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but a powerful statement nonetheless you

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got to stick with it right it's an

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example

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stick with it and if you're doing

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good things that

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are are heart-led it'll pay off yeah

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absolutely

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so

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have

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um

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time with somebody who's who's a hero in

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in different ways for sure yeah um so uh

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for this week we were we were talking

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earlier in the day as we often do by

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text on the morning of a show

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and we've been kind of talking for a

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little while and you know this last week

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has been pretty eventful in a few

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yesterday

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the twittersphere and other other realms

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of the ufological

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lit up

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because gary nolan dr gary nolan from

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stanford um

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went on tucker carlson's show and gave

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an hour-long interview

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um and that lit up a lot of

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conversations for a lot of different

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reasons and we can talk about that maybe

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later in the show today

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um

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there's also a new arti there's a new

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interview with mike gallagher um who is

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a representative who

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who kind of famously now amongst our

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circles

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uh brought up the the

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wilson davis notes

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uh in the congressional subcommittee

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hearing back in may in front of moultrie

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and bray the first

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ufo hearings in congress in over 50

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years

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so there's some interesting

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information there where he

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talked about

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the wilson davis notes again in a new

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interview

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but first

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why don't do you want to look at

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dr hal put off

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uh put out this is

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this ultra-terrestrial models

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um this really lit up uh

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the online conversation as well

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this uh came out on sunday

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this last sunday

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and

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boy boy boy uh

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did

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now for those that don't know

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maybe we should set up first who how put

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off is really briefly and

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where did this and where did this paper

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come from so

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so um

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uh

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just for those of you that have been

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um

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not in the conversation for too long hal

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put off um he works at a company that he

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founded right now called earth tech

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international he's also the director of

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and of the institute for advanced

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studies at austin

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um he earned his phd from stanford in

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1967 as a theoretical and experimental

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physicist specializing in lasers

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and his present research typically

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ranged from theoretical studies

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concerning fundamental electrodynamics

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gravitation and the quantum vacuum to

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laboratory studies of innovative

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approaches to energy generation and

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space propulsion

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it's a long-winded way of saying that he

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has been

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a

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long time

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since the early 70s famously he was

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involved in

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the cia's remote viewing program with

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stanford research

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um

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uh institute where he was stationed for

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quite a long time working with people

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like english

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it's a big program i mean some of those

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programs worked on things like the iran

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hostage crisis and had some actual

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success with it uh i ran for about 20

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years i believe

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um and you know i really really really

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really did i say really doubt that it

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stopped

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uh when the funding ran out for that

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actually like towards the end a lot of

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people um what was the name of it again

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um

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yeah it's project stargate you mean yeah

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stargate so stargate was uh really um

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tied into the cia people think of the

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cia a lot with starkid um but it

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actually a lot of it got moved to the

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dia you know which you actually start

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seeing the more you dig the dia has had

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their hands on

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all this phenomena type of stuff for a

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very long time

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absolutely and it's true that that when

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people look at hal put off's career

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you can really

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create start to create and people have

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in the past create

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a pretty good mind map

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for

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some of the more

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accessible

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um

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uh

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kind of leading edge programs with

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regard to the phenomenon have been

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in the early 70s at stanford research

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institute

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with the cia how was there and then

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towards say by the end of the 90s he was

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under a dia contract uh at nids the

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national institute for discovery science

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um

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working with people like eric davis and

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bob bigelow

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and

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other people over there

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and then

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um moving through he was

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a huge he had a huge impact in the asap

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program that was written about in

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skinwalkers at the pentagon and

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elsewhere

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which is interesting right because uh a

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common um you know

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common argument against you know asap

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and everything is

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you know

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someone got convinced up a couple of

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crazy stories to start this uh program

464
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out the middle of nowhere but they

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completely forget that these people have

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been involved in paranormal phenomena

467
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with the government

468
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for a lot longer than that you know way

469
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before that started you know so it's not

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like they're

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bringing in a couple of stranger gumshoe

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people and going hey you saw something

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weird at a ranch huh here's a couple

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million bucks like they have

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you know relationships with these people

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going back decades you know so

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you know that's an important thing to

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keep in mind uh in regards to the oscip

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and skidmarker ranch i think so

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oh absolutely 100 and you know not only

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that um people like russell targ and hal

482
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put off weren't just kind of like

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wingnut psychics hanging out in a

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basement

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near stanford uh these were people that

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had

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really really

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um

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high level impressive careers

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um

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you know as physicists and right and

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were experts in field in in

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in fields

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that were as practical as laser

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technology right

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before moving into these kinds of

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directions and as we know now you know

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hal is quietly working on

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projects and he only kind of pops up

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every once in a while

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uh in recent years

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and he'll kind of like drop a big bomb

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bombshell speech

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at a industry convention and the video

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eventually makes it out or something

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like that some months later and we just

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kind of like this paper yeah and it's

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kind of like this paper and you'll

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notice italian from this paper to gary

510
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nolan with tucker carlson too

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absolutely absolutely absolutely we're

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we're painting a kind of a big picture

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here now another thing about hal is if

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if you go on the if anybody out there

515
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goes on to the earth tech website

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they'll find that hal's got a crazy

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bibliography page a list of a bunch of

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his articles

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and and

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you know

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say

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just looking over here uh in 2010 he

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published a paper called advanced space

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propulsion based on

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vacuum space-time metric engineering

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right um

527
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there was one in 2016 quantum ground

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states as equilibrium particle vacuum

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interaction states

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and you know a lot of these

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are are in

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very large mainstream journals like the

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uh european journal of physics

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um and

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and he's even written papers for nasa i

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mean if you want to get as big as it

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gets like he's written papers for at

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nasa yeah you know

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and places like the journal for british

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interplanetary uh the journal of british

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interplanetary society and that's one of

542
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the oldest um aeronautics

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00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:46,400
scientific journals uh that's still

544
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:47,840
around i think that that started in

545
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:50,080
about 1934. so anyway the guy gets

546
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:53,039
around he publishes widely and um and

547
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however this paper

548
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has a really really interesting history

549
00:22:04,630 --> 00:21:59,360
um

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00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:04,640
first that i heard about this paper was

551
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:07,120
maybe six or seven years ago

552
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oh well um and and this has been kind of

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a long rumored paper

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um

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00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:16,320
or a version of this paper has been a

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00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,080
long rumored paper

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00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:20,720
that that it was like oh you know i i

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don't know if you know this or not but

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hal put off really went out on a limb

560
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and he wrote this paper that people have

561
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:27,760
been passing around a little bit

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on the ultra-terrestrial hypothesis

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and you know for from reading

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00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,080
you know you hear about the guy that was

565
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:38,640
in the remote viewing program well that

566
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co-founded it and then went on to

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00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:43,280
write papers on polarizable vacuum

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00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:45,600
approaches to general relativity you

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know for him to kind of go out on a limb

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and to write about the possibility

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00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:54,799
uh that there is maybe another

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uh species on earth that that considers

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00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:00,720
this a home

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00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:04,080
you know that was that was a pretty um

575
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:06,159
that was a pretty big bombshell even as

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00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:08,960
a rumor years ago

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yeah it kind of reminds me of uh you

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00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:13,120
know when you hear about how people

579
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:14,960
talked about valet or john keel when

580
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:16,159
they started coming out with their

581
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:18,159
different hypotheses that weren't just

582
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:19,679
extraterrestrial

583
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:22,080
you know i feel like

584
00:23:25,710 --> 00:23:23,440
you know throughout the years when

585
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:25,720
people go well maybe it's not

586
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:29,039
extraterrestrial per se maybe it's

587
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,720
oh what the hell

588
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,559
[Laughter]

589
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,640
confused and angry like now i gotta

590
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:37,120
think about this thing so but you know

591
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:38,720
as you go through the paper he does a

592
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,840
really good job of uh you know um

593
00:23:47,310 --> 00:23:44,159
getting to the point of you know what to

594
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,320
look for if it was extraterrestrial or

595
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,760
ultra-terrestrial or you know uh

596
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:51,840
basically um

597
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,360
you know people traveling in time

598
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:55,440
machines and all that time travelers so

599
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:58,080
i really appreciate that so um because

600
00:24:01,590 --> 00:24:00,080
it gives you a good basis

601
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:01,600
for how to study and look at this to

602
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:03,760
begin with but as you see and he kind of

603
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:05,200
points out in the beginning here there

604
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,240
could be a

605
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:08,080
you know a mesh

606
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,279
of all of them

607
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,440
you know and you can kind of tell as you

608
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:13,679
go through the paper like well yeah it's

609
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:15,919
kind of got a little here a little there

610
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:17,279
so

611
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:21,440
and as katie thanks for joining us katie

612
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,600
um and thanks to everybody over in the

613
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,520
chat katie points out honestly it's a

614
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:27,440
great starting point to orient new folks

615
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:28,880
to all the theories

616
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,440
abs i completely agree i know sean i

617
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:33,120
think does as well as he's just saying

618
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,799
and you know that's why we're going to

619
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:36,720
go through this puppy today

620
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:37,679
because

621
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:41,120
it's a relatively short paper um and and

622
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,480
at the same time uh it's it is pretty

623
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:46,720
much geared for a wide audience to be

624
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:49,200
able to entertain these these these

625
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:50,320
notions

626
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:51,360
and

627
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:55,039
for many people in the audience that

628
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,919
aren't

629
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:57,840
quite as

630
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:00,960
enthusiastic about the minutia of the

631
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:04,480
field as sean or i am you might not

632
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:05,520
have

633
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:08,559
decided as of yet that you had

634
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:10,880
uh 20 minutes in your day

635
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,840
to read to read a

636
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:14,720
paper um

637
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,279
from a theoretical physicist right right

638
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,919
and we'd we totally get that um however

639
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,760
this is totally worth it

640
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:23,760
um well you want to get you want to get

641
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:26,799
rolling sure man um do you want to do

642
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:28,400
you want to roll the old mouse while i

643
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,120
um while i read here cool

644
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,600
all right cool um your version is going

645
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:35,039
to be a little bit smaller than mine so

646
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:36,640
i'm just going to open up my version as

647
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,000
well and you can just kind of follow

648
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:40,000
along on the screen here that's right

649
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:43,520
sure so i'm starting on the abstract

650
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:45,279
um i'm not going to do the voice i'm not

651
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:46,640
going to do how's voice it'd be really

652
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:48,159
hard to do his voice anyway yeah that's

653
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:49,600
not a easy one

654
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:50,400
yeah

655
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,200
um abstract under consideration in this

656
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:55,360
paper are two seminal statements and

657
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:56,159
their

658
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:58,880
con commitments currently unknown as

659
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:01,840
follows one there is an unidentified

660
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,240
phenomenon interacting with the current

661
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:06,720
human population on earth

662
00:26:11,070 --> 00:26:09,279
two it is currently unknown whether the

663
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:11,080
phenomenon is exclusively

664
00:26:14,269 --> 00:26:12,640
extraterrestrial

665
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:14,279
extra dimensional

666
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:15,840
crypto-terrestrial

667
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,679
demonic or gen

668
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:19,760
proto-ancient human

669
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:22,720
time travelers etc or some combination

670
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,159
or mutation of any or all of these

671
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:28,159
however it appears highly likely that

672
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:31,440
the phenomenon per se is not constituted

673
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,159
exclusively of members of the current

674
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,480
human population

675
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:38,640
in this paper we address the above under

676
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,679
the overarching theme ultraterrestrials

677
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:43,760
in order to develop a template to be

678
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:46,720
matched against data at hand and that

679
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,440
may be procured in the future

680
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:51,279
keywords extraterrestrials

681
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:53,440
ultra-terrestrials time travelers

682
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:57,039
forensics disclosure

683
00:27:02,310 --> 00:26:59,840
background as one takes a decades-long

684
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,320
view of the unidentified aerial

685
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,559
phenomenon topic it is easy to become

686
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,200
frustrated by what one sees as a lack of

687
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:10,000
robust progress in establishing sure and

688
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,120
certain iron-clad data points about even

689
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:15,679
the most fundamental of issues these

690
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:17,919
issues prompt such key questions as

691
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:19,279
follows

692
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:21,520
is the phenomenon predominantly nuts and

693
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:24,880
bolts psychological or metaphysical

694
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,840
assuming such distinctions can be made

695
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,760
a great question

696
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:31,760
is the source of the phenomenon

697
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:33,840
predominantly terrestrial

698
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:36,880
ultra-terrestrial eg and ancient occult

699
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:38,399
group ice

700
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:41,840
isolated prediluvial high-tech society

701
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:44,000
possibly stranded ets that are thought

702
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:47,360
of as gods or extraterrestrial assuming

703
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,039
that distinctions between these

704
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,279
alternatives are meaningful

705
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,840
deluvial just you know as pre-flood like

706
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:55,200
basically

707
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:56,720
that's right that's right

708
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,679
yeah

709
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,200
and you know i didn't know what that

710
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:01,200
word meant i had to look it up so that's

711
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:02,559
why i'm saying it

712
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:05,200
and there definitely have been some like

713
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,840
big ass floods in in our in in the

714
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,279
history of the world regardless of

715
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,039
whether you're a big bible believer or

716
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:13,120
not we can look at the rocks and find

717
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:14,799
that to be the case right

718
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,679
um

719
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,279
so

720
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,159
has the phenomenon ramped up in our era

721
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,720
or has it been essentially constant over

722
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:24,480
millennia

723
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,799
are ofttimes related topics such as

724
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,279
claimed abductions crop circles and

725
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,159
animal mutilations truly related or are

726
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,720
they separate categories of phenomena

727
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:36,720
another great question

728
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:39,120
are institutions such as governments

729
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:41,200
truly that much more knowledgeable than

730
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:42,240
we are

731
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,080
even if only in certain protected

732
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:46,640
domains or are they essentially in the

733
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,520
same position as we are give or take

734
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:51,520
some hard data in hand

735
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,120
another great question

736
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:55,360
yeah now critique

737
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:57,520
as we critique our position vis-a-vis

738
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:00,320
these issues three factors stand out as

739
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,080
weaknesses that potentially could be

740
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,799
addressed by developing new strategies

741
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:06,720
they are one

742
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,000
data gathering is essentially passive

743
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,399
typically events are reported and data

744
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,480
are gathered and analyzed this

745
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,799
constitutes essentially a reactive as

746
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:19,120
opposed to a proactive mode

747
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,960
this is not meant as a pejorative

748
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:22,960
statement astrophysicists find

749
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:25,360
themselves in the same situation

750
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:28,559
even seemingly proactive movements such

751
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,159
as john greenwald

752
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:32,799
junior's foia document

753
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:34,799
foia government documents search in the

754
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:37,360
public arena or attempted collection of

755
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:40,159
the detritus of classified programs by

756
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:41,440
some

757
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,080
under special protected conditions

758
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:46,159
simply constitute efforts to cause the

759
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,279
government to release data to passive

760
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:51,520
ever hopeful recipients

761
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,440
the ball is still in someone else's

762
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:55,039
court

763
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,440
other more proactive measures could be

764
00:30:02,549 --> 00:29:59,760
taken ranging from the relatively

765
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:02,559
prosaic eg setting up all-weather

766
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,440
all-sky optical or infrared monitoring

767
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:07,919
stations through the more tech intensive

768
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,200
approaches

769
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:11,840
like magnetic disturbance and rf

770
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:14,320
gigahertz detectors multi-variable

771
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:15,919
monitoring suites

772
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:19,840
and exo archaeological investigations

773
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,039
to the arcane eg search for evidence of

774
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:25,520
anomalous manipulation of human genetic

775
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:28,399
structure and stretching to the esoteric

776
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,510
so boy already he's going he's moving

777
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:37,200
through a blistering

778
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:40,240
array of approaches and considerations

779
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:42,159
with regard to these topics so we're

780
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:43,360
going to keep moving through here and

781
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,880
then we're going to and

782
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,640
maybe we can come back to some of these

783
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:49,200
how's that sound sean yeah sure

784
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:50,799
you need a break

785
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,240
give it a shot okay good uh okay so two

786
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:56,880
by and large our models hypotheses are

787
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,039
relatively circumscribed

788
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:01,440
as stated in entry to above although

789
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,360
interested parties tend to be proponents

790
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:05,440
of what would appear to be a wide range

791
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:08,240
of hypotheses ranging from it's all

792
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:11,200
psychological check your dsm-5

793
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:13,200
through interdimensional time travelers

794
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:15,519
and angels to graze an advanced

795
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,320
spacecraft from zeta reticuli there are

796
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:20,880
additional options that though mentioned

797
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:23,519
in passing in the literature are not

798
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:26,080
taken very seriously and therefore go

799
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,080
relatively unresearched

800
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:30,000
these include such categories as a

801
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:33,279
hidden community of et's or gods

802
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:36,399
possibly stranded here millennia ago

803
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,240
allah zechariah citchin's earth

804
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:39,919
chronicles series

805
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:42,399
isolated remnants of a pre-diluvial

806
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:45,120
high-tech society as in the atlantis

807
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,600
myth or an ancient occult group who

808
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,519
happened to stumble on new energy

809
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:51,919
sources in control of gravity

810
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:54,960
and including a post-world war ii covert

811
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,440
cabal of the military industrial complex

812
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:59,039
variety

813
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:00,720
as in richard dolan's breakaway

814
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:02,799
civilization concept

815
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:04,799
we consider some of these options in

816
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:10,230
so boy he's just he's really opening up

817
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:12,799
the can uh here uh

818
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,320
yeah so three analysis speculation not

819
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,880
forensics constitutes the present core

820
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:20,559
modus operandi

821
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:22,880
as the various hypotheses are generated

822
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,679
and pursued hypothesis generation and

823
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:27,919
data are gathered considerable

824
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:29,840
intellectual effort goes into attempting

825
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:36,870
this is certainly a healthy activity

826
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:38,799
driving as it does from the instinctive

827
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,720
and productive human urge to reduce

828
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,880
ambiguity in interpreting one's

829
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:44,159
surroundings

830
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,159
however this approach could profit by

831
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,000
incorporating elements of a more

832
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,640
forensic gumshoe style as in

833
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:53,120
criminalistics and intelligence work

834
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:55,200
the very fact that so many hypotheses

835
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:57,519
remain on the table regarding the source

836
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,399
of the phenomenon clearly indicates that

837
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:02,559
forensic work to date has been

838
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:05,200
inadequate to even eliminate certain

839
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,559
options hypothesis elimination all three

840
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:10,720
forms of hypothesis handling are

841
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,240
required

842
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:14,080
that's a pretty key concept

843
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,960
and

844
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:17,279
uh we'll get back to that the gumshoe

845
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,480
approach

846
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,559
strategy for forward motion

847
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,880
given the tenor of the above remarks the

848
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:25,120
following recommendations are offered as

849
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:27,760
proactive measures to make headway

850
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,399
specifically it would behoove us to set

851
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:32,720
aside our tentativeness about any given

852
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:35,360
hypothesis place it on the table as

853
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:37,760
almost certainly true and go for it with

854
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:40,559
an aggressive forensic mindset

855
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:42,080
considering the following disparate

856
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:44,080
hypothetical examples of the type

857
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:47,600
outlined in entry two in the abstract

858
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:50,799
one the extraterrestrial hypothesis

859
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,880
in this scenario crash retrievals of

860
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:54,960
nuts and bolts alien hardware have

861
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:57,600
occurred the tetras the detritus of

862
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,760
which has been distributed in the us to

863
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:01,279
corporate america

864
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,640
uh i.e the colonel corso scenario

865
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,480
setting aside the specific claims of

866
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,320
colonel corso if such is the case

867
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,320
certain tell-tale signatures should

868
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,240
emerge under scrutiny

869
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:14,480
moreover some evidence indicates this

870
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:16,000
could be the case

871
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:17,520
these would include

872
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:19,280
a certain level of relatively low

873
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,399
profile possibly statesman influence

874
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,560
integrated investment control of a

875
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:27,040
select set of global multinational

876
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:29,200
corporations with convergent

877
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:32,240
interlocking technology developments eg

878
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:35,200
aerospace and electronics corporations

879
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,119
if biological specimens have been

880
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:39,440
retrieved the development of unusual

881
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,639
lines of biological genetic inquiry by

882
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:44,639
highly qualified professionals whose

883
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:46,960
career path would seem to diverge

884
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:49,040
suddenly from what might have been

885
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:52,000
extrapolated from their earlier work eg

886
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,359
accelerated research into retroviruses

887
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:57,040
he's painting quite a picture here and

888
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,400
he's throwing in

889
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,800
a lot of breadcrumbs

890
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,720
and uh you know

891
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,480
if if people say that there's nothing

892
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,040
happening uh uh kind of under the table

893
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,880
in this paper i think they'd be

894
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:10,880
extraordinarily mistaken even just from

895
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:12,400
that point right there

896
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:13,359
sure

897
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,000
sudden initiation in the late 40s or

898
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:18,960
early 50s without clear precedence and a

899
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:21,599
known ufo-related research institute's

900
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,359
e.g battelle

901
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,839
of concentrated development of new

902
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:27,680
high-strength high-temperature

903
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:30,800
low-density intermetallic alloys funded

904
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:32,960
by nearby government facilities such as

905
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,599
wright patterson air force base eg

906
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:37,359
nitinol

907
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:38,800
the accelerated development of

908
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:41,440
geopolitical alliances space weaponry

909
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:44,720
etc for reasons not wholly interpretable

910
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:48,320
in terms of national interest agendas eg

911
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:52,079
sdi and u.s space force

912
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,320
evidence for covert manipulation of the

913
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:57,040
ufo et theme in the public sector by

914
00:36:02,630 --> 00:35:58,960
governmental entities

915
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,640
eg the cia's 1953 robertson panel now

916
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,800
this is amazing that this kind of former

917
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:07,119
cia guy is throwing cia a little bit

918
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:08,720
under the bus with the robertson panel

919
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,320
mentioned

920
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:12,720
well that was way before his time yeah

921
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:13,839
it's true

922
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:14,800
um

923
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:17,440
evidence for generally sub rosa highly

924
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:19,760
classified programs addressing the uap

925
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:22,320
issue eg as in the recently revealed

926
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,040
assap a-tip programs now that's kind of

927
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,359
fun because he's he's mentioning his own

928
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:29,359
old program in there which is pretty

929
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:30,079
cool

930
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,440
uh privatized access to space eg by

931
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:35,599
enterprises such as spacex bigelow

932
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,000
airspace and blue origin or threats to

933
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:40,320
national international security eeg and

934
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,640
nation state terrorism might serve to

935
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:44,640
stimulate the surfacing of certain

936
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:47,119
technological developments and materials

937
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,720
at an accelerated rate and so on

938
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:52,320
two

939
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:55,200
the isolated humans hypothesis an

940
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:57,839
isolated high-tech closed community of

941
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:00,240
humans with somewhat advanced scientific

942
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:02,720
knowledge exists apart from the known

943
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:03,760
culture

944
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:05,520
telltale signatures might include

945
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:07,920
continuing observation of technology

946
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:10,560
only somewhat in advance of public

947
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:14,560
knowledge eg the 1897 airships cases

948
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:17,359
unaccounted for missing financial assets

949
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,480
in industrial grade resources possibly

950
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:22,480
including individuals

951
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,200
apparent covert misdirection of society

952
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:27,280
in the absence of real evidence to

953
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,160
accept the likelihood of et presence

954
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,720
the relative lack of evidence of

955
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:35,040
extremely advanced sophistication of

956
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:38,160
hardware i.e hardware clearly beyond

957
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,720
present day design and manufacture even

958
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:42,400
conceptually

959
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,079
three the stranded or colonizing et's

960
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,640
quote unquote gods hypothesis

961
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,480
telltale signatures might include

962
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:52,560
evidence and myths for high-tech

963
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,680
interpretation of claimed devices beyond

964
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:57,520
human capability of the era to

965
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:00,720
manufacture e.g nuclear-powered algae

966
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:03,599
production mana machine in biblical

967
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:04,560
times

968
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:06,720
hard evidence for isolated

969
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:09,599
mountain bases detectable by satellite

970
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,800
signature of fast walker or uct flight

971
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:14,640
paths

972
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:15,920
what

973
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:19,119
or anomalous undersea activity or bases

974
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:22,079
detectable by distributed underwater

975
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:23,920
monitoring systems

976
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:26,800
covert elite group exercising occult

977
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:29,359
religious influence in society

978
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,000
evidence for buried high-tech artifacts

979
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:35,359
or locales with unusual signal radiation

980
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:39,520
characteristics here skinwalker ranch

981
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:41,920
that's right that's right

982
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:42,720
yep

983
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:44,400
um now we're really gonna have to come

984
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:46,160
back to number three there because we're

985
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,359
gonna have to come back to all these

986
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,280
points because he's again he's throwing

987
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:51,599
out crazy breadcrumbs all over this dang

988
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:53,200
thing

989
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,480
four

990
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,560
um the interdimensional or time

991
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,400
travelers hypothesis

992
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:00,560
gaining access to our space-time

993
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:03,440
continuum tell-tale signs might take the

994
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,240
form of fortian phenomena of instant

995
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,040
appearance disappearance of beings

996
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,520
in a reverse process humans experience

997
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:13,680
quote-unquote portal access to alternate

998
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:16,480
realities appearance of beings out of

999
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,760
sync in dress mannerism or language or

1000
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:21,200
technology

1001
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:26,720
financial transaction timeline or other

1002
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:29,359
futures oriented activity indicative of

1003
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:31,280
advanced foreknowledge

1004
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,160
fascinating evidence for teleportation

1005
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:36,240
of individuals or material over

1006
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,119
geophysical distances there are some you

1007
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,680
know anecdotal cases of this appearance

1008
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,520
of humanoids in conformance with

1009
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:45,599
predicted genetic evolution of

1010
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,200
present-day homo sapiens etc

1011
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,359
obviously in the above examples we have

1012
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:53,680
a helter skelter montage of elements

1013
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,680
from much of the mythology of claimed

1014
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:57,440
ufo experience

1015
00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:59,680
where i consider we need to go with it

1016
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:02,400
is this to shift away from a strategy

1017
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:05,520
that relies solely on further content

1018
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:08,560
analysis toward what the intelligence

1019
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:11,520
world calls traffic analysis

1020
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:12,960
very key point

1021
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:15,760
that is to first order independent of

1022
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:16,960
content

1023
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,359
that is while not issuing the present

1024
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,680
strategies in place we incorporate into

1025
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:23,760
our studies in his aggressive and

1026
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:26,560
proactive a way as we can muster

1027
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,440
more forensic work to expand

1028
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:31,680
expand our playing field and extract

1029
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,079
from the data in its surrounds more of

1030
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,480
the patterns and networks that appear to

1031
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,480
yoke the data together

1032
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:41,040
rather than just attending to the data

1033
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,400
itself

1034
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,400
since this takes such hard work and such

1035
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:46,960
a commitment of effort in new arenas of

1036
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:49,760
investigation it probably also means as

1037
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,319
suggested above being willing to press a

1038
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:54,800
given hypothesis to the limit

1039
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:57,119
even though it may be the wrong one so

1040
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,359
that our understanding of the range of

1041
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:01,440
possibilities to which we must keep our

1042
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:04,480
mind open does not act to disperse our

1043
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,680
focused activity so that's all that's

1044
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,440
very much the kind of take it seriously

1045
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:11,520
hold it lightly approach that that we

1046
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:14,800
often talk about actually you know it is

1047
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,400
uh now here

1048
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:19,440
uh four ultra-terrestrials

1049
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:22,160
as a focused example of broadening the

1050
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,880
scope of our investigation let us con

1051
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:26,720
consider the ultra-terrestrial

1052
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:30,319
hypothesis as defined above eg an

1053
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,160
ancient occult group isolated

1054
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,040
pre-diluvial high-tech society

1055
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:37,680
possibly stranded ets that are

1056
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,640
quote-unquote viewed as gods i.e

1057
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,200
sequestered terrestrial cultures

1058
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:45,200
examples two and three above

1059
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,240
existing alongside us in distinct

1060
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,160
stealth

1061
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,880
first what are possible signatures of an

1062
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:54,720
ultra-terrestrial as opposed to

1063
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:57,200
extraterrestrial presence

1064
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,079
density of sightings over decades if not

1065
00:42:05,630 --> 00:42:02,960
centuries potentially indicative of a

1066
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:05,640
present time local as opposed to

1067
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:07,760
extraterrestrial source

1068
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:10,319
in other words that the uap phenomena is

1069
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:13,280
so ubiquitous as to argue against the

1070
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,079
simple model of an occasionally visiting

1071
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:18,800
extraterrestrial explorer

1072
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:21,599
recent since world war ii claimed

1073
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,160
focused messaging regarding elimination

1074
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:26,640
of nuclear technologies and concern

1075
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:29,200
regarding environmental degradation are

1076
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:32,079
would-be reasonable themes for a co-lay

1077
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:35,680
co-located but isolated terrestrially

1078
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,079
located society

1079
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,240
so meaning that if some if something was

1080
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,960
living alongside us that they would also

1081
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:45,359
be super interested in

1082
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,440
keeping us away from nuclear weapons and

1083
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:49,440
ruining the environment for out of their

1084
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:52,640
own self-interest if nothing else

1085
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,440
via subterfuge and disinformation

1086
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:57,680
stealthily injected proliferating

1087
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:01,119
emphasis on the et theme as misdirection

1088
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:04,240
to prevent exposure of local terrestrial

1089
00:43:10,829 --> 00:43:07,359
habitation as in theater a la jacques

1090
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:10,839
ville's messengers of deception

1091
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:14,400
um there's some good anecdote stuff too

1092
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,440
in uh invisible college on that and

1093
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:19,440
in regards to yuri geller so maybe we

1094
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,960
should bring that up too at some point

1095
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,880
but absolutely

1096
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,200
um and now stick with us folks because

1097
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,359
we're kind of coming coming into the

1098
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,040
home plate area here

1099
00:43:35,470 --> 00:43:31,200
we're getting towards the end of this of

1100
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:37,910
interactions with humanoid genotype

1101
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:40,160
ranging from modern humans to creatures

1102
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,599
including sightings of quote-unquote

1103
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,680
little people over the centuries

1104
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,680
encounters with non-humans that haunt

1105
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,000
our folklore let alone genetically

1106
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,960
engineered biological robots or drones

1107
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:53,040
all variants within the lexicon of

1108
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:57,920
alternative forms of the human genome

1109
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,800
seeming emphasis on reproduction eg

1110
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:03,040
harvesting of sperm and ova from certain

1111
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:06,079
genetic lines let alone hybridization

1112
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:08,319
could be speak outreach toward genetic

1113
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:11,599
diversity for a relatively inbred

1114
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:15,040
local isolated society on the wane and

1115
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:16,400
suffering from a potentially

1116
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:21,109
uh

1117
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:23,119
observation of vehicles not that

1118
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,079
advanced i.e comprehensible as opposed

1119
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:28,800
to magical even if nonetheless well in

1120
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:30,880
advance of our own

1121
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:33,680
use of telepathic information transfer

1122
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:36,480
only marginally ahead of present day

1123
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:39,040
technical neurobiological advances in

1124
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,720
the public domain

1125
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,480
now it's interesting that he mentions in

1126
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:44,240
the public domain as opposed to the

1127
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,440
private domain isn't it right sure

1128
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,440
it brings you back to his talk with uh

1129
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:51,599
weinstein where he talked about

1130
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,000
certain things uh as a part of physics

1131
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,839
might have been kept secret

1132
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,000
absolutely yeah

1133
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:02,400
reports of cave-like or undersea

1134
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,040
destinations during claimed abductions

1135
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,359
now that i mean that goes all the way

1136
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,440
back through mythological history

1137
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:11,680
amongst world cultures

1138
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:14,079
um given the need for secrecy concerning

1139
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:16,079
the reality of all of the above on the

1140
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,640
part of ultra-terrestrials as co-located

1141
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:21,119
denizens of our planet while nonetheless

1142
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:22,880
being subject to a certain level of

1143
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:25,520
codependence the inscrutable nature of

1144
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:27,280
the interactions would not be an

1145
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:29,119
unexpected outcome

1146
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,720
second under the assumption of

1147
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:32,640
compelling evidence for the above it

1148
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:34,000
would be critical to discern the

1149
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,079
motivations of the ultra-terrestrials to

1150
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,480
main such a secret existence

1151
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,800
of possible utmost concern to them could

1152
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:43,359
be an overarching fear of exploitation

1153
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:46,240
even annihilation due to vulnerabilities

1154
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:48,400
despite possessing certain levels of

1155
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:51,200
technological superiority or fear of

1156
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,119
assimilation and consequent loss of

1157
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:55,520
culture religion customs

1158
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:57,920
uncontrolled genetic mingling i.e

1159
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,800
culture shock fear of human diseases

1160
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,640
concern for consequences to the

1161
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:05,119
terrestrial human population with its

1162
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,119
attendance reciprocal effects on their

1163
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,440
own culture potential disruption of

1164
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:11,520
resource gathering including benefits

1165
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,079
derived from stealthy interactions with

1166
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:16,319
and possibly manipulating certain

1167
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:19,680
aspects of the human terrestrial society

1168
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:22,160
third what might be the consequences for

1169
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:24,000
humanity of disclosure of an

1170
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,079
ultra-terrestrial group as it compared

1171
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,960
with that of extraterrestrial visitation

1172
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:31,040
clearly the devil is in the details but

1173
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,800
one could speculate that the former

1174
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,240
might be more

1175
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:36,319
dire than the latter considering that

1176
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,960
they have been here amongst us perhaps

1177
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:40,880
in very personal ways

1178
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,280
in contrast et visitation in all

1179
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,119
probability being more foreign and

1180
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:47,280
inscrutable could be safer

1181
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,280
such topics constitute interesting

1182
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,920
material for sociological research for

1183
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,920
more detailed discussion of what i have

1184
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:55,440
called here the ultra-terrestrial

1185
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,640
hypothesis

1186
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:58,960
i recommend the crypto-terrestrials by

1187
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:01,040
mac tony's we'll get into that after

1188
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:02,240
here as well

1189
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:04,079
are there any hints in the uap

1190
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:05,839
literature that there is evidence that

1191
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,640
the ultra-terrestrial scenario outlined

1192
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:10,800
above may have some

1193
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,160
validity

1194
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:14,880
author nick redfearn of all people in

1195
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:17,680
his book the nasa conspiracies asserts

1196
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:18,960
that there is

1197
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:22,079
his interview of an ex nasa

1198
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:23,839
gemini they actually pronounced it

1199
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,559
gemini back in the day contractor led to

1200
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:28,400
the claim that there was evidence of a

1201
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:30,800
small band of individuals who were not

1202
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:33,359
aliens from some distant star system at

1203
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:36,079
all but supposedly represented the last

1204
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:38,960
vestiges of a very ancient terrestrial

1205
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:41,680
race of beings that thousands of years

1206
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:44,400
ago had an advanced and isolated

1207
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,559
civilization that was responsible for

1208
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,400
the legends of atlantis and similar

1209
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:50,319
stories but who were forced by

1210
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:52,960
circumstances to retreat into remote

1211
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,079
sequestered locales for survival eg into

1212
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:57,920
mountains in the seabed

1213
00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:00,079
at present they were primarily concerned

1214
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,000
about nuclear war and degradation of the

1215
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,079
environment and this has led to some

1216
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:06,079
degree of attempting to influence our

1217
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:07,040
culture

1218
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,040
however they felt it had to be carried

1219
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,040
out under the ruse that they were from

1220
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,680
distant star systems to protect what

1221
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:15,359
they felt to be their vulnerable

1222
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:16,400
position

1223
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:19,119
despite their advanced technology

1224
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:21,040
isn't it fascinating that that one of

1225
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:22,559
the concrete shout outs is that

1226
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:24,160
particular case

1227
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:25,040
yeah

1228
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:26,079
and now

1229
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:28,160
one last paragraph here before we go

1230
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:30,800
into the sources correlation with et

1231
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:32,640
hypothesis

1232
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,400
although the ultra-terrestrial

1233
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:37,040
hypothesis scenario considered here

1234
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:39,599
considers an expansion of the model to

1235
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,839
include other than the simple

1236
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,160
extraterrestrial hypothesis the

1237
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:46,559
predicted observable consequences of the

1238
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,119
two options are quite parallel for our

1239
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:51,839
purposes here careful consideration of

1240
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,160
data obtained along the way are to be

1241
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:56,480
matched against templates for the two

1242
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:59,119
major options ultra-terrestrial or

1243
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:02,079
extraterrestrial keeping in mind that it

1244
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:09,030
wow

1245
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:10,559
what a home dinger

1246
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:13,280
um was that it's right it's so short

1247
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:14,160
right

1248
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,790
it's so much to take in

1249
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:22,960
you know so like you can't go much

1250
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:25,920
farther than 14 pages and have any

1251
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,520
chance of uh keeping up with the content

1252
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,960
no you know because right away you're

1253
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:32,880
like what which one's ultra which one's

1254
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:36,319
extra what what did the time travelers

1255
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,240
what do i got to do for that again you

1256
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:41,200
know like it's a lot you know it really

1257
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:42,319
is

1258
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,640
pick up

1259
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:48,480
we can pick through a few things here

1260
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,319
one thing i saw people mentioning in the

1261
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:51,839
chat is that

1262
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:53,119
is that um

1263
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:55,119
asking what book that was now one of the

1264
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:57,040
books that he mentioned distinctly as

1265
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:58,400
big shout out is

1266
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,440
is the crypto terrestrials by mac tony's

1267
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:02,880
now um

1268
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,040
uh we actually on the experiencer group

1269
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:07,200
we had this for book club

1270
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,720
and

1271
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:10,720
this is pretty fun we had this for book

1272
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:13,839
club uh eight days before

1273
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:16,960
hal's paper got published oh wow

1274
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:20,079
wow now was that total coincidence no

1275
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:21,680
um was it cool that it happened

1276
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,319
absolutely uh james and dolia and i

1277
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,640
co-hosted it and we had some great

1278
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:28,720
people there including mike clelland who

1279
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:31,440
actually did um the illustrations in

1280
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:33,920
here yeah uh who we had on the show a

1281
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:36,720
while ago yeah um illustrations in there

1282
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:40,079
oh wow yeah isn't that cool um yeah

1283
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:43,119
mike and and mac were very good friends

1284
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:46,400
um as um as was uh david metcalf who

1285
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,160
we've also had on the show after the

1286
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:50,240
archives of the impossible conference

1287
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:51,280
yeah

1288
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:54,960
but um mac tony's um died very suddenly

1289
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:57,440
at the age of 34 as he was completing

1290
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:59,040
this book

1291
00:51:03,109 --> 00:50:59,839
um

1292
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:03,119
and that's kind of a and he had

1293
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:04,880
apparently a heart condition died in his

1294
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:07,359
sleep and his and

1295
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,400
this was

1296
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,400
weeks from being finished

1297
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,640
um and he was kind of blazing right

1298
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:14,480
through it it's a short work it's about

1299
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:17,680
120 pages um when you read it um it's

1300
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:19,920
clear that some of the passages were

1301
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:22,160
gonna he was probably gonna go back and

1302
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:23,920
flesh out in more detail

1303
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:27,359
um but the the manuscript um

1304
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,640
he died and his mother actually saved a

1305
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:32,640
manuscript that was physically printed

1306
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:34,960
out and sitting on his desk

1307
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:38,319
and um and greg bishop and mike clelland

1308
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:39,839
and a few other people

1309
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:41,920
kind of rallied together to get it

1310
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:44,720
published after the past

1311
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:48,160
incredible story yeah um but if people

1312
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,559
are interested in and kind of getting

1313
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:52,400
more into the nitty-gritty

1314
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:55,359
of of the ultra-terrestrial hypothesis i

1315
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:57,359
highly highly highly recommend this book

1316
00:52:02,230 --> 00:51:59,920
it's also available as an audiobook

1317
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,240
so so and it's again it's it's only

1318
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:05,040
about 120 pages so it's it's actually a

1319
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:07,680
pretty fast read

1320
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:09,040
um

1321
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:10,160
so

1322
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:11,839
i guess

1323
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:13,839
you know it's uh

1324
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:17,440
my main overall takeaways are

1325
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:19,520
you know the first the distinction and

1326
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:22,400
kind of uh investigations and and not

1327
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:24,640
just um like the days of maybe sitting

1328
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:27,760
by and and collecting data and simply

1329
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,599
just attended the data as he says

1330
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:31,200
they're are kind of not getting us

1331
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:32,800
anywhere so basically just sitting

1332
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:33,760
around

1333
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,599
seeing that radar tracks pop up it's

1334
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:37,680
unidentified okay put it over in the

1335
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:39,920
pile and that's it move on right

1336
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:40,800
and

1337
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:41,760
or

1338
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:44,240
even seemingly proactive things now that

1339
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:47,040
struck me too you know you're it feels

1340
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,559
like you're proactive because you're out

1341
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:50,400
there searching for documents as he

1342
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:53,040
talks about john greenwald blackbull or

1343
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,520
myself right but you're still beholden

1344
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:57,599
to the other side you know responding to

1345
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,359
you with the right documents and all

1346
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:00,880
that kind of stuff so

1347
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:03,920
he says uh you know so

1348
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:04,960
you know

1349
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:07,200
but then he talks about more proactive

1350
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:08,960
things you know

1351
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,960
that you can do more gum gum shoe

1352
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:12,720
investigator type things

1353
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,400
now what can people like myself do

1354
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:18,960
you know we talked about telepathy is he

1355
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:21,680
saying maybe try ce5

1356
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:24,720
i mean it seems like that i mean it it

1357
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,480
seems like that could be an effective

1358
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:28,800
avenue for some you know i mean i don't

1359
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:30,880
i don't discount you know jamesy and

1360
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,800
doley and and i are good friends you

1361
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:34,800
know he's a friend of yours as well heck

1362
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,960
i i put up a picture on twitter of the

1363
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,800
three of us hanging around a bowl of

1364
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,480
chips earlier today

1365
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:42,720
um

1366
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,040
from work in the experiencer group and

1367
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:50,880
things like that you know i i believe

1368
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:52,880
that human there is really something to

1369
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:55,119
human initiated contact efforts you know

1370
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:57,760
be it through through

1371
00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:59,920
uh laser pointers in the sky or

1372
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:01,520
meditation you know some of the stuff

1373
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,520
works though is sometimes illegal like

1374
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:05,599
laser pointers in the sky yeah i don't

1375
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:07,280
know if i'd recommend that necessarily

1376
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:08,559
but no

1377
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:09,760
right

1378
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,000
but yeah but then don't you get into the

1379
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,319
issue of uh what you know like what hal

1380
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,319
was talking about before where basically

1381
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,640
these beings are lying to you to make

1382
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:20,640
you think that they're extraterrestrial

1383
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:22,720
because they don't want you to really

1384
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:25,599
have a hint at their existence here on

1385
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:27,359
earth because maybe

1386
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:29,040
even though they have advanced

1387
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:30,800
technology they have their weaknesses

1388
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:33,520
too and vulnerabilities and they don't

1389
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:35,440
want us to know about it and what that

1390
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:37,599
reminds me of is i'm reading invisible

1391
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:40,000
college right now and uh jacques valet

1392
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:43,040
talks about yuri gary geller and

1393
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:45,839
um this being that they were him and

1394
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:47,440
somebody else i forgot the name we're

1395
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:50,480
talking to spectra it was called

1396
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:52,160
and

1397
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:53,359
you know so they would have this

1398
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:55,520
conversations with these beings and and

1399
00:54:59,590 --> 00:54:57,760
talk about what they said and everything

1400
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:59,600
and that they were

1401
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:00,720
[Music]

1402
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:02,880
you know valet made kind of the point of

1403
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,200
now are they communicating but they can

1404
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:07,920
only communicate at the the ability of

1405
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,720
geller's brain basically like they can't

1406
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:12,240
make him more intelligent they have to

1407
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:15,200
work with his intelligence or

1408
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,559
are they lying

1409
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,720
or what because one of the examples that

1410
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:20,640
he uses they would talk about light

1411
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:24,240
years as as far as um

1412
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:25,599
uh time

1413
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:28,160
they would go you know it's it's

1414
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,400
you know so long ago

1415
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,880
light years long ago or whatever away

1416
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,480
it's like well that's not the definition

1417
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,000
of eight years you know like that's not

1418
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:38,400
how you use that term so obviously

1419
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:40,640
something is wrong here and you know and

1420
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,880
you hear other messages too where

1421
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:44,480
you know that's it that's another thing

1422
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:47,359
of uh maybe

1423
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:49,920
you know you hear a lot about that

1424
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:51,839
in ufology about

1425
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:54,000
you know getting false messages the

1426
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,960
trickster aspect stuff like that so sure

1427
00:56:01,829 --> 00:55:58,960
how do you if you're doing c5 how do you

1428
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:01,839
trust what you see or the you know the

1429
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:04,960
telepathic messages you may receive

1430
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,280
that's right and as as a couple people

1431
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,079
have pointed out in the chat you know um

1432
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:12,480
yuri geller uh

1433
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:13,359
has

1434
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:15,440
made dubious claims in the past and some

1435
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:17,680
people say like oh you know he's for

1436
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:20,079
those that don't know yuri geller um is

1437
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:21,359
an israeli

1438
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:22,880
um

1439
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:23,680
uh

1440
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,520
kind of psychic

1441
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:27,440
and pk

1442
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:30,559
like a telekinetic um

1443
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:33,520
showman in a way an entertainer that

1444
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,040
was famous for

1445
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:37,040
apparently bending spoons and other

1446
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:40,160
objects on tv back in the day now what

1447
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:42,640
you know regardless of him spoon bending

1448
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:43,839
or not

1449
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:46,400
what he has admitted and there seems to

1450
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:49,200
be a pretty decent trail about this is

1451
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:50,400
that he

1452
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:51,520
um

1453
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:56,150
affiliated with

1454
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,119
israeli intelligence right and that part

1455
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,760
of his job was to kind of insinuate

1456
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:03,760
himself into

1457
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:07,520
in into kind of psychic circles into

1458
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,440
circles where people were

1459
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:11,119
kind of studying the phenomena and

1460
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:13,040
things like that and because he was kind

1461
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:14,880
of a gifted showman that was associated

1462
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:17,119
with this stuff you know he was pretty

1463
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,359
famous back then and would get himself

1464
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:22,160
into interesting conversations

1465
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,559
and so you know one interesting thing

1466
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:26,640
about your gallery is that regardless of

1467
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:28,720
whether he's spoon bending or not

1468
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:31,280
you know it is interesting that

1469
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:33,200
he's interesting as a figure because

1470
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:36,480
he's a relatively chatty oversharer when

1471
00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:37,839
it comes to

1472
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:39,839
like like

1473
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,960
intelligence agents and so you know you

1474
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:44,400
can kind of take that for what it's

1475
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:46,240
worth you know some people

1476
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:48,400
um even knowing that might view him as

1477
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:50,240
kind of a rick dodie kind of figure

1478
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:52,079
where you don't you can't necessarily

1479
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:53,520
trust what he's saying and there's

1480
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:55,599
probably some truth to that

1481
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:57,490
you can't trust rick dodie

1482
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:59,280
[Laughter]

1483
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:00,079
right

1484
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:02,400
um but that's a story for another day

1485
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:04,319
but anyway so

1486
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:05,359
yeah

1487
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,440
but anyway back to back to like what can

1488
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:11,280
we do you're talking about gumshoe work

1489
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,960
and what can we do and things like that

1490
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:14,640
and one thing that he points out and i

1491
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:17,280
threw over in the chat um is he

1492
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,960
specifically pointed out traffic

1493
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:20,160
analysis

1494
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:22,720
and that that that that is kind of a

1495
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:24,799
methodology and a strategy that's used

1496
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:27,359
in intelligence that people might want

1497
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:28,160
to

1498
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:32,720
finding

1499
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:35,280
or kind of figuring out um

1500
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:38,640
date a finding data and kind of

1501
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:41,359
zeroing in on that data

1502
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:43,520
and so that may be something that people

1503
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,599
may want to be looking at here but one

1504
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,200
thing that he does point out in the

1505
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:49,520
paper is is saying

1506
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:52,400
you know that there are areas that seem

1507
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:53,359
to be

1508
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:56,079
hot spots that would seem to core

1509
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:58,160
correlate with the idea

1510
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:01,119
um with beings that are hiding under sea

1511
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:03,119
or possibly you know within mountain

1512
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:05,119
ranges and things like that

1513
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:06,079
and

1514
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,400
you know i uh

1515
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:10,640
hot spots i mean and we've of course

1516
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:13,040
we've in different shows we've covered

1517
00:59:18,309 --> 00:59:15,359
that you know there's the hot spot uh

1518
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:18,319
near under catalina island that was

1519
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:21,280
examined in a tear in the sky and in

1520
00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:24,240
other situations recently by uapx and

1521
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:25,839
other teams

1522
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:28,640
exciting ranch you could say skinwalker

1523
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:30,079
ranch

1524
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:31,680
you know there are

1525
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:34,880
people talk about uh ryan graves had a

1526
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:37,520
had a very new interview it just came

1527
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:41,200
out yesterday or the day before

1528
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:43,760
on lex friedman um where he was talking

1529
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:45,040
about

1530
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:45,760
how

1531
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:47,599
many sightings were happening off the

1532
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,880
east coast of the states and it became

1533
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:52,559
such a

1534
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:54,480
he was talking about how it became so

1535
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:55,760
predominant

1536
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:58,000
uh once they put in their new radar

1537
01:00:03,430 --> 00:59:59,119
systems

1538
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:03,440
they

1539
01:00:07,349 --> 01:00:06,000
stopped reporting every single one

1540
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:07,359
and just

1541
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:09,359
kind of made it

1542
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:11,440
don't go over there now that's an

1543
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:14,000
interesting idea because you know

1544
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:16,559
there's a there there as somebody like

1545
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:19,040
bill clinton might say you know right

1546
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,000
where's the there there right

1547
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,720
yeah that seems like a hot spot

1548
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:26,319
right right

1549
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,400
and um you know people talk about other

1550
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:30,559
hot spots like in the pyrenees mountains

1551
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:32,880
or mount shasta um they're

1552
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:35,040
uh they're they're similar areas in

1553
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:36,720
wales and

1554
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:39,280
um yeah uh our good friend vinnie was

1555
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,240
just down in colombia you know it could

1556
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:44,640
be some stuff there or hesterlin lights

1557
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:46,160
you know all that stuff

1558
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:48,400
absolutely absolutely

1559
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:52,000
now interestingly when when

1560
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:54,240
hal does get into some of these stories

1561
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:57,280
that that have been that have been

1562
01:01:01,750 --> 01:00:59,280
dominant through history and that there

1563
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:01,760
could be anecdotal cases and

1564
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:03,440
you know there was

1565
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:04,720
for example

1566
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:05,839
um

1567
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:08,799
there's a guy named evans at evansville

1568
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:13,680
vince that um in 1911 so well before

1569
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:16,319
kind of like humanoid cases of the 50s

1570
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:17,680
and things like that when we were

1571
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,079
supposedly dealing with venusians and

1572
01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:22,319
martians that looked like uh

1573
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:25,280
you know super hot blondes coming down

1574
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:27,599
you know talking talking to folks

1575
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:31,200
out in say arizona or nevada or whatever

1576
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:33,520
before that evans wentz was talking

1577
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:36,400
about how there is a missile in fairy

1578
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,520
faith in the celtic countries he

1579
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:41,599
he was talking about

1580
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:44,720
a supposed race of fairy beings called

1581
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:46,240
the gentry

1582
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:48,240
and if you read if you read those

1583
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:51,040
stories it was a contemporary lens he

1584
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:52,640
was talking about

1585
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:54,720
large

1586
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:57,359
fair-haired beings that were kind of

1587
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:58,559
like

1588
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:01,200
seen as being centuries

1589
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:03,200
or kind of guards in a way

1590
01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:05,359
and that they were understood to be to

1591
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:08,079
live under mountains or live within the

1592
01:02:11,829 --> 01:02:09,680
earth generally

1593
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:11,839
and that sometimes

1594
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:14,640
back in say like the 1700s they would

1595
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:16,799
even talk to locals

1596
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:18,799
and people would ask them you know what

1597
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:20,480
you know what's your deal and they'd be

1598
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:22,160
like oh we're basically like guards and

1599
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:23,599
we travel

1600
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:27,990
and they're in the mountains you know

1601
01:02:32,829 --> 01:02:30,319
yeah and it and then evan smith's book

1602
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:32,839
again published in 1911 they're like oh

1603
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:36,319
yeah um we get traded around every once

1604
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:38,559
in a while and there's another base

1605
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:40,480
under the pyrenees

1606
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:41,520
and

1607
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:46,319
knows another anthropologist in

1608
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:47,680
california

1609
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:49,920
that that wrote about

1610
01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:53,440
that wrote to him about similar reports

1611
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:56,240
of similar beings from native american

1612
01:03:01,990 --> 01:02:58,559
myth and local myth in northern

1613
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:02,000
california under a mountain there

1614
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:03,039
wow

1615
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:05,200
how amazing is that so for those of you

1616
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:06,960
that don't know uh there's this

1617
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:09,760
long-standing kind of uh

1618
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:12,559
a piece of lore and ufology that deals

1619
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:14,640
with mount shasta and that there are

1620
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:17,520
often humanoid seemingly advanced beings

1621
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:19,039
that are that are seen around mount

1622
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:20,079
shasta

1623
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:22,799
so anyway it you're getting into an area

1624
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:24,559
where between say jacques valley and

1625
01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:27,280
passport to magonia and these old in

1626
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:29,599
these old irish celtic even native

1627
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:31,440
american myths that would seem to

1628
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:33,359
correlate with what hal put off is

1629
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:35,440
talking about with this now published

1630
01:03:38,470 --> 01:03:37,200
long rumored paper

1631
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:38,480
yeah

1632
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:39,839
and i

1633
01:03:43,829 --> 01:03:41,440
i don't even know where to start with

1634
01:03:44,789 --> 01:03:43,839
some of that stuff you know right um the

1635
01:03:47,109 --> 01:03:44,799
the

1636
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:47,119
because it can be so

1637
01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:49,440
um

1638
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:51,680
like how can you be proactive about and

1639
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:53,039
and it's hard for me to believe that

1640
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:54,799
people haven't been proactive about

1641
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:57,119
trying to research you know the

1642
01:04:01,990 --> 01:03:59,440
mountains and and what may be dwelling

1643
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:02,000
in there too but there's there's some

1644
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:03,920
great points though uh

1645
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:04,880
about

1646
01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:06,400
certain things and you can see kind of a

1647
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:08,079
mishmash of all the different things

1648
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:09,200
that have been

1649
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:11,599
uh been talked about over the course of

1650
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:14,000
i don't know the last year or longer

1651
01:04:18,789 --> 01:04:16,400
everything from john ramirez and

1652
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,799
um you know our genetics being messed

1653
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:21,119
with and and maybe

1654
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:23,359
came from some being to begin with you

1655
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:27,119
know and all the way from uh abductions

1656
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:29,440
and hybridization programs you know all

1657
01:04:33,029 --> 01:04:30,960
this stuff is

1658
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:33,039
uh kind of involved and you know the one

1659
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:35,760
thing i would ask is is he maybe hinting

1660
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:38,880
at that everything he mentioned

1661
01:04:43,589 --> 01:04:41,200
could be involved

1662
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:43,599
i think he is you know right at the end

1663
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:44,640
he's saying

1664
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:47,039
that this very well could be a bose and

1665
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:48,880
situation rather than either or

1666
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:50,799
situation because there's so many

1667
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:52,880
different phenomena you know

1668
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:54,720
absolutely and even gets back to

1669
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:56,799
remember lou elizondo was recommending

1670
01:05:00,789 --> 01:04:59,119
that people read a short a science

1671
01:05:01,990 --> 01:05:00,799
fiction short story called change of the

1672
01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:02,000
scene

1673
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:05,440
and that's largely that story um

1674
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:07,039
you know boiled down

1675
01:05:11,270 --> 01:05:10,079
uh to one of its basic elements is that

1676
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:11,280
you know that there could be something

1677
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:13,280
coming from outside but that we're not

1678
01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:15,119
exactly the alphas that we think they

1679
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:16,240
are here

1680
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:18,160
and that there could be a such hands

1681
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:19,760
right it kind of points to the idea that

1682
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:21,599
there could be a situation in the future

1683
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:22,480
where

1684
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:31,440
technologically superior civilization

1685
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:32,880
from elsewhere

1686
01:05:39,029 --> 01:05:35,280
is is in contact with the

1687
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:39,039
technologically superior

1688
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:40,400
civil legislation or breakaway

1689
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,240
civilization that's already here and

1690
01:05:46,630 --> 01:05:44,400
that we're just kind of

1691
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:46,640
dumbfounded in the middle watching stuff

1692
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:48,480
play out it could be a good moment to

1693
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:50,640
segue into gary nolan

1694
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:53,280
which he's you know kind of touched on

1695
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:56,319
in that interview with tucker carlson um

1696
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:57,359
where

1697
01:06:01,510 --> 01:05:59,119
you know he hit that

1698
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:01,520
there could be multiple phenomena here

1699
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:03,599
that maybe are in friction

1700
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:05,920
uh with each other but hold that note as

1701
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:07,520
we take a little break

1702
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:09,119
if you have time

1703
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:10,799
sure yeah where are you going to play

1704
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:13,920
that uh clip yeah we have some witness

1705
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:15,440
testimony that we're going to listen to

1706
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:17,599
which also allows jane i to just take a

1707
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:19,200
little bit of a break

1708
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:21,839
so i can you know do break things you do

1709
01:06:26,549 --> 01:06:24,960
people do on break you know for

1710
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:26,559
five or seven minutes

1711
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:28,799
but this is a very interesting case it's

1712
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:33,680
a police officer and um you know it's

1713
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:36,480
he witnesses something by the

1714
01:06:43,349 --> 01:06:40,160
nasa uh nuclear laboratory

1715
01:06:46,069 --> 01:06:43,359
um in sandusky ohio so with that we'll

1716
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:46,079
play that and we'll be back and we'll be

1717
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:49,280
back all right soon a few

1718
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:51,440
not that one

1719
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:57,119
there we go february 10 1967

1720
01:07:01,750 --> 01:06:59,520
11 22

1721
01:07:04,870 --> 01:07:01,760
erie county sheriff's department

1722
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:04,880
sandusky ohio with constable gary butler

1723
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:06,960
who earlier this morning

1724
01:07:10,870 --> 01:07:08,720
cited a ufo

1725
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:10,880
over the nasa

1726
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:14,480
installation outside of town

1727
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:16,799
yes this is rick hillberg of

1728
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:18,960
cleveland and earl neff of cleveland

1729
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:20,160
interviewing

1730
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:21,520
from nycap

1731
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:24,079
constable butler could you uh just

1732
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:26,480
briefly tell us run through the sighting

1733
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:27,280
and

1734
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:29,039
tell us what you saw on the approximate

1735
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:31,440
times and any comments you might have or

1736
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:33,119
elaborations

1737
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:36,000
well this officer on the patrol the

1738
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:37,280
earlier part of

1739
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:39,599
friday morning was going down one of our

1740
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:42,720
side roads shank road which runs

1741
01:07:49,510 --> 01:07:46,160
parallel with any essay the local

1742
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:49,520
nasa establishment

1743
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:51,520
i was going on the east from a east to

1744
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:53,039
west direction

1745
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:54,960
and making my

1746
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:56,799
turn onto

1747
01:08:02,950 --> 01:07:59,440
the main road when i observe a

1748
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:02,960
bluish bright colored

1749
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:06,000
disc object in a southwestern direction

1750
01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:07,119
of

1751
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:08,799
the county

1752
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:11,119
i observed this object for approximately

1753
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:14,000
five minutes before relaying the message

1754
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:15,760
to the sheriff's department to make sure

1755
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:18,000
that what i did see

1756
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:23,030
a true thing

1757
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:24,640
when i called when i relayed the message

1758
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:26,799
to the sheriff's department the state

1759
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:30,319
patrol responded also

1760
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:31,279
the

1761
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:34,480
deputy was on route 250 approaching a

1762
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:35,679
bypass

1763
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:38,640
when he called to this officer

1764
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:40,960
i observed the object

1765
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:43,120
in a stationary position approximately a

1766
01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:49,590
after observing it for approximately six

1767
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:51,679
seven maybe eight minutes

1768
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:54,319
this object began to decline towards the

1769
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:56,960
ground it disappeared behind a group of

1770
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:59,040
trees

1771
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:01,120
at this time i radioed to the other

1772
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:02,319
officers who

1773
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:04,560
immediately responded to the area and i

1774
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:07,600
had myself uh went to the area to which

1775
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:10,400
i saw the object disappeared to and

1776
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:12,480
after almost an hour and a half of

1777
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:15,440
observation we could not locate anything

1778
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:17,120
you mentioned during the previous

1779
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:19,040
interview when you were filling out our

1780
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:21,359
report form that you notice some

1781
01:09:24,309 --> 01:09:22,719
interference on your radio

1782
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:24,319
communications approximately what time

1783
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:25,759
did this happen what was the nature of

1784
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:27,279
the interference

1785
01:09:30,709 --> 01:09:28,480
the time

1786
01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:30,719
i would i i'm uncertain about i would

1787
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:33,440
estimate somewhere around four o'clock

1788
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:36,080
there was some static i had to repeat my

1789
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:38,799
uh transmission uh two or three times

1790
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:39,839
because

1791
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:42,080
the deputy at the station could not

1792
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:43,600
understand

1793
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,159
also there was two officers i believe

1794
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:48,400
from the bellevue area who

1795
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:49,440
saw a

1796
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:52,319
light a bright a light

1797
01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:54,080
object in the sky which they observed

1798
01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:55,520
for several minutes and they said it

1799
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:57,760
disappeared i don't know if this was any

1800
01:10:02,070 --> 01:09:59,520
connection at all but

1801
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:02,080
it might have been a jet or something to

1802
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:04,320
this fact

1803
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:07,040
constable butler i'd like to ask you

1804
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:09,440
did you at the distance you were away

1805
01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:12,880
from this detect any sound whatever from

1806
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:14,239
the object

1807
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:15,840
that's negative there was no sound

1808
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:18,080
whatsoever i did shut off my the motor

1809
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:20,719
to my vehicle i had the ignition on so i

1810
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:22,239
could hear my radio

1811
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:24,560
i heard nothing i shown this my

1812
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:26,480
spotlight on the vicinity of where the

1813
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:27,360
uh

1814
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:28,239
the

1815
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:34,880
object itself

1816
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:37,360
i'd also like to ask you constable if

1817
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:40,320
you've had any previous interest in this

1818
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:42,840
subject or have you read any

1819
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:46,560
articles or books on this particular

1820
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,880
subject in the past in other words have

1821
01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:50,400
you had any interest in along those

1822
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:51,760
lines

1823
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:52,960
i have read

1824
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:55,520
just a little bit local newspapers and

1825
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:58,320
this and i have observed on the tele on

1826
01:11:02,229 --> 01:11:00,719
television and radio but as far as being

1827
01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:02,239
interested in it

1828
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:04,400
i haven't as of yet until this point

1829
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:05,840
i've been uh

1830
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:07,440
fascinated with that you might say or

1831
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:09,679
even interested in it

1832
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:12,080
i'm like everybody else i would say that

1833
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:14,000
has heard this or read of first people

1834
01:11:17,669 --> 01:11:15,920
of observation that

1835
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:17,679
i too thought that

1836
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:19,520
they were nuts in some respects but

1837
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:22,080
after seeing what i saw last night

1838
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:25,199
my attitude may change

1839
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:27,040
constable butler could you give us a

1840
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,400
brief description of the weather

1841
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:30,000
conditions in the vicinity at the time

1842
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:32,080
of the report

1843
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,080
if i remember correctly i believe it was

1844
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:36,480
cloudy it was the weather was cold

1845
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:39,199
there was a slight uh a breeze or wind

1846
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:41,280
blowing out of the southwest

1847
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:43,920
approximately 10 maybe 15 miles an hour

1848
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:47,679
the atomic reactor nesa was in operation

1849
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:50,080
but this and this reactor was in the

1850
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:54,159
eastern part of the uh county or the

1851
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:56,719
establishment of nasa

1852
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:58,400
councilman butler do you know that any

1853
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:00,400
of the people at nasa

1854
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:06,790
passing anywhere near the place where it

1855
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:09,199
might have been or not

1856
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:12,880
well i spotted about 3 42 there was a

1857
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:15,280
a guard of nesa who went by the area

1858
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:17,360
about four o'clock five after four he

1859
01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:20,480
said but this had already uh

1860
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:22,960
disappeared uh before that time

1861
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:25,120
but as far as anybody else seeing it i

1862
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:28,640
am i am the only one evidently that

1863
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:32,640
had access to seeing this um this object

1864
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:35,520
uh you were uh referring i presume to

1865
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:36,960
plumb brook right

1866
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:38,960
that's that's true

1867
01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:41,840
uh was there a moon or were there stars

1868
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:43,120
that night

1869
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:44,320
i believe the earlier part of the

1870
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:45,840
evening there was a

1871
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:48,000
some stars out and there was a moon but

1872
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:49,520
at this particular time i don't believe

1873
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:51,760
that there was any

1874
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:54,239
did you see any other cars passing you

1875
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:55,360
at the time

1876
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:57,920
on the road where you were

1877
01:13:01,910 --> 01:12:59,760
negative there was no there was nobody

1878
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:01,920
on the road this was a pretty early in

1879
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:03,360
the morning and

1880
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:05,600
there was nobody on the road traffic was

1881
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:08,159
very light if any at all

1882
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:09,600
did you notice

1883
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:11,520
any physical

1884
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:13,760
effects afterward any yellow effects any

1885
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:16,480
burning of the eyes or

1886
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:18,719
burning of any part of it exposed

1887
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:20,719
section of skin or headache or anything

1888
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:23,120
of this nature after looking at this

1889
01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:24,960
object

1890
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:26,239
no there was no

1891
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:28,000
physical

1892
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:30,080
reaction towards this except after

1893
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:33,280
looking at the object there were

1894
01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:35,360
same effects as you might see it

1895
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:38,159
when the camera flash bulb itself

1896
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:41,120
goes off in front of your eyes

1897
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:43,120
i'd like very much to thank you for your

1898
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:46,080
fine cooperation constable butler and i

1899
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:47,840
know mr hillberg is very appreciative of

1900
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:49,120
any other questions you'd like to ask

1901
01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:54,310
all right so thanks for listening to

1902
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:57,760
that i thought it was a pretty good clip

1903
01:14:02,470 --> 01:14:00,719
interesting we have more of the nuclear

1904
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:02,480
aspect there what you know i was just

1905
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:04,080
commenting to

1906
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:05,600
kirsten on here

1907
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:07,280
you know it's kind of

1908
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:09,199
a typical sighting you know we have

1909
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:10,800
nuclear involved

1910
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,280
and we also have the guys saying things

1911
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:15,600
like uh you know i always thought these

1912
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:17,440
people were crazy

1913
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:19,840
you know right and i don't think i'm

1914
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:22,000
gonna think that anymore you know you

1915
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:23,040
know like

1916
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:24,320
people don't

1917
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:25,760
change

1918
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:31,040
if they see just like a light in the sky

1919
01:14:35,669 --> 01:14:33,760
for instance you know the and it's even

1920
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:35,679
funny because

1921
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:38,000
cops on the other side or whatever saw

1922
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:40,560
a light too and he's writing off their

1923
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,640
sighting after he gets not running on

1924
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:44,640
his own he's like well yeah but they

1925
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:45,760
could have probably just seen some

1926
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:48,719
aircraft or something you know right but

1927
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:50,719
you know so but that's kind of what i

1928
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:53,520
mean too like in in the video that you

1929
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:55,120
know i made for the beginning it's like

1930
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:57,199
where you're constantly debunking

1931
01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:59,120
yourself you know like

1932
01:15:02,149 --> 01:15:01,280
a lot of these skeptics and such act

1933
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:02,159
like

1934
01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:05,440
things aren't

1935
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:07,120
haven't already thought about that well

1936
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:09,120
maybe i'm just seeing something wrong or

1937
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:10,960
maybe it says or maybe it's that but at

1938
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:12,880
the end of the day they're left with

1939
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:15,760
i can't say it's that i don't it's not

1940
01:15:21,430 --> 01:15:18,080
that it's so obviously not that i don't

1941
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:21,440
know what the prick it is you know and

1942
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:23,040
and you're left with like all these

1943
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:24,640
questions and

1944
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:26,800
and it's like new chapter your life

1945
01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:28,400
begins

1946
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:29,600
absolutely

1947
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:33,440
yeah i i really deeply appreciate that

1948
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:36,960
and and it's true i mean how often

1949
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:40,080
you you know especially maybe at

1950
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:43,360
the onset of of when you started really

1951
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:45,440
kind of engaging

1952
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,400
um

1953
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:48,080
after your own experience and things

1954
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:49,760
like that did you come across a case and

1955
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:51,679
you were like i don't know about that

1956
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:52,640
you know

1957
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:54,480
all the time when i'm reading like bloop

1958
01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:56,159
but when i'm reading blue book things

1959
01:16:00,070 --> 01:15:57,040
you know

1960
01:16:01,750 --> 01:16:00,080
and then i catch myself i'm like

1961
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:01,760
the description really isn't all that

1962
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:02,960
different than how i would have

1963
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:05,360
described what i saw you know

1964
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:06,400
exactly

1965
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:08,159
right and

1966
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:09,600
it's funny that way

1967
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:11,440
yeah and then and then there's

1968
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:13,760
you know the added quality of time or

1969
01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:16,239
like looking at it in a dock versus like

1970
01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:17,440
something that might have happened

1971
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:19,840
yesterday you know what i mean or sure

1972
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:22,320
or a couple weeks ago and you know a lot

1973
01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:24,000
of these cases

1974
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:28,000
you know i think one of the reasons why

1975
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:30,239
one of the many reasons why your

1976
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:33,360
historical document diving has been so

1977
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:35,760
great and so fruitful and continues to

1978
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:37,920
be so great and so fruitful

1979
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:39,920
is

1980
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:40,880
that

1981
01:16:50,550 --> 01:16:47,520
something say something right right and

1982
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:50,560
and it seems a lot like these days

1983
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:52,239
people just don't even bother

1984
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:54,400
you know right and that that kind of i

1985
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:56,000
i'm sorry to keep bringing this up but

1986
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:57,520
i'm reading it now so i keep thinking

1987
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:59,520
about it but the invisible college chuck

1988
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:01,600
valet talks about uh you know like one

1989
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:02,880
in ten

1990
01:17:06,229 --> 01:17:04,719
would actually report something to the

1991
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:06,239
air force because they had such a bad

1992
01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:07,760
reputation for how they were dealing

1993
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:09,040
with this to begin with people didn't

1994
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:12,159
even tell them anymore you know

1995
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:14,239
that's right it's just like so many

1996
01:17:17,430 --> 01:17:16,159
reports you know that that we don't even

1997
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:17,440
know of and weren't even reported

1998
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:18,880
because basically all they were doing

1999
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:21,520
was yeah what it looked like yep okay

2000
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:25,440
all right thanks yep all right bye

2001
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:27,920
yeah you know so what in your left as

2002
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:29,520
experience are going through that like

2003
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:30,880
okay

2004
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:32,400
what was the point of that i'd rather

2005
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:33,679
tell somebody

2006
01:17:38,790 --> 01:17:36,800
down down the street that maybe actually

2007
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:38,800
have been looking at ufos for a little

2008
01:17:43,830 --> 01:17:41,199
bit that maybe actually be able to give

2009
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:43,840
me some insight on this stuff you know

2010
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:45,840
that's right i mean i

2011
01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:48,960
i remember even just for myself um the

2012
01:17:55,030 --> 01:17:52,080
only i mean before the last few years

2013
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:55,040
the only time that i reported something

2014
01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:58,719
i reported to newfork and and it was

2015
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:02,000
like amber orbs in the sky back in say

2016
01:18:07,510 --> 01:18:05,600
2007 or 2006 somewhere around there and

2017
01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:07,520
you know i'd had all sorts of situations

2018
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:10,480
before that but that one i did because

2019
01:18:14,950 --> 01:18:12,960
because it was safe and because it like

2020
01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:14,960
ticked the boxes of like the kinds of

2021
01:18:18,630 --> 01:18:16,800
reports that they liked or that they

2022
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:18,640
published or that i said right

2023
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:20,880
that i associated with them right right

2024
01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:23,360
yeah and then the more strangeness there

2025
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:24,640
is with your

2026
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:26,880
your encounter like the less likely you

2027
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:28,880
already even report it

2028
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:31,120
absolutely do you know if

2029
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:34,080
like uh like a premonition dream comes

2030
01:18:38,470 --> 01:18:36,719
true like like i had around these things

2031
01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:38,480
that i saw like

2032
01:18:41,590 --> 01:18:40,000
but what am i gonna tell i'm gonna call

2033
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:41,600
the cops and tell them and then my this

2034
01:18:46,390 --> 01:18:43,679
dream came true and

2035
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:46,400
it was a pretty crazy dream and then i

2036
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:48,159
saw these things so

2037
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:50,719
you know like you just feel silly even

2038
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:52,880
saying it while you're saying it like

2039
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:55,440
you know even gary nolan on his thing

2040
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:58,000
with dr carlson yesterday he's talking

2041
01:19:01,830 --> 01:18:59,840
about you know and everybody always

2042
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:01,840
falls into this trap like

2043
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:03,760
i know this sounds crazy

2044
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:05,040
yeah

2045
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:10,080
talk about it so

2046
01:19:15,189 --> 01:19:12,719
yeah absolutely and i think you know

2047
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:15,199
it's great that i i saw online the other

2048
01:19:18,470 --> 01:19:16,800
day gary was

2049
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:18,480
talking about

2050
01:19:21,910 --> 01:19:20,239
you know um

2051
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:21,920
he was joking with somebody on twitter

2052
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:25,040
about about penance like you know

2053
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:26,719
instead of like saying the rosary or

2054
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:28,880
something like that that somebody

2055
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:30,800
that somebody had kind of

2056
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:32,640
he he thought that they deserved some

2057
01:19:38,229 --> 01:19:35,440
demerits and and told them to go read

2058
01:19:40,229 --> 01:19:38,239
operation trojan horse 100 times

2059
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:40,239
right

2060
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:42,880
and and he also told them to read uh

2061
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:46,560
wonders in the sky uh by valet and abec

2062
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:48,880
about ancient sightings

2063
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:50,880
a 100 times as well and i thought and i

2064
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:52,159
thought for

2065
01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:54,239
you know it was those were two really

2066
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:56,239
interesting and very

2067
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:59,280
uh revealing books to have picked sure

2068
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:01,199
you know yeah a this stuff has been

2069
01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:03,440
around for a while and b

2070
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:06,400
uh good luck figuring out because it's a

2071
01:20:09,270 --> 01:20:07,520
kind of uh

2072
01:20:11,350 --> 01:20:09,280
screwing with you

2073
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:11,360
yeah but you know i could understand

2074
01:20:15,430 --> 01:20:13,600
some kinship between gary nolan and john

2075
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:15,440
keel in many ways because

2076
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:18,239
they're both people that have been that

2077
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:21,280
have put themselves or had put in front

2078
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:24,239
of them experiencers themselves

2079
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:26,960
and had really kind of

2080
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:28,400
reached a

2081
01:20:33,189 --> 01:20:31,440
semblance of trust or a more long-form

2082
01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:33,199
dialogue with some of these people you

2083
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:34,320
know and

2084
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:36,800
you know keel would you know drive

2085
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:38,960
around through west virginia or wherever

2086
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:41,440
and and knock on doors and introduce

2087
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:43,040
himself to people and

2088
01:20:47,189 --> 01:20:45,600
and and that's that's you know as hell

2089
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:47,199
put off was talking about here in terms

2090
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:49,360
of being a gumshoe john keel was a

2091
01:20:54,149 --> 01:20:52,400
gumshoe you know but hopkins was a gum

2092
01:20:56,149 --> 01:20:54,159
shoe there there are certain people in

2093
01:20:57,910 --> 01:20:56,159
our field that kind of deserve more

2094
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:57,920
credit for actually

2095
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:00,880
going and meeting the people and some of

2096
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:03,679
the most wilded out researchers that we

2097
01:21:07,990 --> 01:21:05,280
hear of these days that had the most

2098
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:08,000
wilded out cases it's because they

2099
01:21:11,669 --> 01:21:10,560
prized unedited data from the people

2100
01:21:13,030 --> 01:21:11,679
themselves

2101
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:13,040
right right

2102
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:15,600
yeah very true yeah sometimes when i

2103
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:17,199
read those old blue book reports or

2104
01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:18,639
whatever i just

2105
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:20,800
i can't help but wonder what else isn't

2106
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:23,120
being told and what you know the things

2107
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:24,560
that weren't said

2108
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:26,800
you know yeah about these reports

2109
01:21:31,990 --> 01:21:28,800
because you know as we were saying

2110
01:21:33,270 --> 01:21:32,000
earlier the higher the strangeness

2111
01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:33,280
the less

2112
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:36,480
uh it is to be reported you know

2113
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:40,320
even if it's like a hot hot skin or you

2114
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:41,440
know

2115
01:21:46,629 --> 01:21:44,960
they're not going to report to the air

2116
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:46,639
force along with them and then i got

2117
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:49,760
this telepathic message you know yep

2118
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:52,560
and and valet has has

2119
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:55,040
done so many different versions of the

2120
01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:57,040
statement that kind of

2121
01:22:01,590 --> 01:21:59,280
the more absurd of a story that i hear

2122
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:01,600
the more likely it is to be true or the

2123
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:03,679
more likely it is to be something that

2124
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:05,600
happened right i mean he has different

2125
01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:08,159
versions of kind of saying that and

2126
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:10,960
and essentially you know part of

2127
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:13,440
there's a bit of that in what hal was

2128
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:16,320
trying to propose in this in this new

2129
01:22:22,149 --> 01:22:18,719
um kind of rewritten paper

2130
01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:22,159
you know that that that we need to that

2131
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:25,280
it's very very important for us to be

2132
01:22:29,350 --> 01:22:27,520
going to a wider

2133
01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:29,360
not necessarily box we need to go

2134
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:31,520
outside the box and really kind of open

2135
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:33,760
up the field of possibilities because

2136
01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:35,440
we're probably dealing with more than

2137
01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:36,639
one thing

2138
01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:37,679
um

2139
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:39,040
it's probably

2140
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:43,760
like a whole kind of ecology a whole

2141
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:45,679
taxonomy that's outside of our current

2142
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:46,800
structure

2143
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:49,520
it's interesting in the 2021 preliminary

2144
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:51,520
uap assessment they say that they say

2145
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,360
that everybody dealing with multiple

2146
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:55,840
phenomena and you go back

2147
01:23:00,870 --> 01:22:57,920
and look at uh

2148
01:23:02,310 --> 01:23:00,880
you know some of the cia um you know

2149
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:02,320
documents and

2150
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:04,800
and stuff that they were talking about

2151
01:23:08,790 --> 01:23:06,639
around the robertson panel they said the

2152
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:08,800
same freaking thing

2153
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:12,960
dealing with various phenomena you know

2154
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:14,880
it's like

2155
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:17,520
so that holds very true there's there's

2156
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:19,280
some consistencies that you know

2157
01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:21,199
throughout a lot of this that you just

2158
01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:22,080
can't

2159
01:23:28,629 --> 01:23:26,480
that's right and and speaking of various

2160
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:28,639
phenomenon and that preliminary report

2161
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:31,280
and such you know we heard as you

2162
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:33,280
mentioned touched on in in your solo

2163
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:34,480
show yesterday

2164
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:38,480
um that you know gary nolan gave this

2165
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:41,280
pretty amazing one-hour interview

2166
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:42,719
um

2167
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:44,000
and

2168
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:46,400
you know briefly touching on you know

2169
01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:48,560
tucker carlson's a pretty divisive

2170
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:49,520
figure

2171
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:51,040
um as

2172
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:54,639
almost any you know uh tv

2173
01:23:59,189 --> 01:23:58,320
news common commentator can be you know

2174
01:24:01,270 --> 01:23:59,199
there are

2175
01:24:03,510 --> 01:24:01,280
you know there there's a lot of people

2176
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:03,520
in the press that they don't just do

2177
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:04,960
straight reporting in the news it's a

2178
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:06,719
lot of color commentary and he's

2179
01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:08,400
definitely one of them

2180
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:10,159
and um

2181
01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:11,040
and

2182
01:24:16,229 --> 01:24:13,760
predominantly opinion pieces these days

2183
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:16,239
that's right that's right and and it's

2184
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:18,080
hard to kind of

2185
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:20,880
and for a lot of people online including

2186
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:23,520
myself when i when i first when i first

2187
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:26,080
heard that he was going to be

2188
01:24:30,229 --> 01:24:27,600
on the show

2189
01:24:32,070 --> 01:24:30,239
right before it had popped up online i

2190
01:24:33,470 --> 01:24:32,080
just heard that he said he shot it and i

2191
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:33,480
was like ah

2192
01:24:37,189 --> 01:24:36,000
shoot you know what i mean in terms of

2193
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:37,199
like

2194
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:38,480
just

2195
01:24:42,629 --> 01:24:40,239
having to keep people cool in the

2196
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:42,639
schoolyard you know what i mean or being

2197
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:44,880
around the schoolyard and watching that

2198
01:24:49,350 --> 01:24:47,920
situation play out right yeah right

2199
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:49,360
yeah and i don't i don't want to say the

2200
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:51,440
wrong thing either and piss the wrong

2201
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:53,520
person off and get you know somebody

2202
01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:55,360
gets upset about it but

2203
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:57,520
um at the end of the day

2204
01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:00,960
what we're talking about here is is uh

2205
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:03,120
above politics and what somebody's

2206
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:05,520
opinion might be on this or that like at

2207
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:07,120
the end of the day we're talking about a

2208
01:25:10,950 --> 01:25:09,040
complete paradigm shift for everybody in

2209
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:10,960
the entire world

2210
01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:13,199
you know so whether the person is

2211
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:15,760
republican or democrat or whatever

2212
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:18,080
it really comes to a point where if the

2213
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:20,960
disclosure comes from the government or

2214
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:22,800
or whatever of the of

2215
01:25:25,350 --> 01:25:24,239
you know different intelligence that are

2216
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:25,360
among us

2217
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:27,360
all that stuff becomes and tucker even

2218
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:29,600
said this himself it's just not that

2219
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:31,920
important anymore

2220
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:33,040
you know yeah

2221
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:34,960
it's true and it's important to think of

2222
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:37,199
that what does post disclosure look like

2223
01:25:39,910 --> 01:25:38,719
and that's a part of it you know and

2224
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:39,920
what are we going to do when that

2225
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:41,920
happens when we all

2226
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:44,159
have this revelation together as a

2227
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:45,520
country are we going to start saying

2228
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:48,719
like well you know we can't look at this

2229
01:25:52,149 --> 01:25:51,120
together because before that you know

2230
01:25:57,430 --> 01:25:52,159
you

2231
01:25:59,110 --> 01:25:57,440
i know that might suck

2232
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:59,120
or whatever but

2233
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:00,960
we have to have a new view as a human

2234
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:04,480
race you know that's yeah and it's also

2235
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:06,480
tricky i completely agree with you it's

2236
01:26:12,149 --> 01:26:10,000
also tricky because at the same time

2237
01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:12,159
you know it's like what tal was talking

2238
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:14,239
about with the bose and situation where

2239
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:16,960
we have to keep so many factors in play

2240
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:19,520
you know this is a subject that is

2241
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:22,480
bipartisan by nature and in in many ways

2242
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:24,560
is above politics and it's actually and

2243
01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:27,280
it's also as we saw with the ndaa

2244
01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:31,040
language and the iia iaa language that

2245
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:33,280
um that it's also deeply enmeshed in

2246
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:35,760
politics right now and so

2247
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:37,920
and so there's there's the both and

2248
01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:41,040
situation where we see this playing out

2249
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:44,320
in political halls of power in a in an

2250
01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:47,199
open way that we haven't seen in our

2251
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:48,960
entire lifetimes

2252
01:26:51,910 --> 01:26:51,040
and at the same time at the end of the

2253
01:26:54,950 --> 01:26:51,920
day

2254
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:54,960
um it's one of the few topics that no

2255
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:56,800
matter kind of what your

2256
01:27:04,950 --> 01:26:58,480
personal

2257
01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:04,960
this this can be something that they can

2258
01:27:08,149 --> 01:27:07,360
very well bring people together as we

2259
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:08,159
saw

2260
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:10,719
with with progressive

2261
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:14,880
gary nolan on on a pretty conservative

2262
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:16,800
uh talk show this week

2263
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:19,920
another thing that uh that i can say is

2264
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:21,920
you know uh people and families right

2265
01:27:26,229 --> 01:27:23,920
like uh i've had a pretty jarring

2266
01:27:27,189 --> 01:27:26,239
experience right um

2267
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:27,199
and

2268
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:29,040
you know if i talk to my parents about

2269
01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:30,800
it or whatever um

2270
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:34,880
it uh is a lot easier for them to fathom

2271
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:38,080
and take seriously

2272
01:27:42,070 --> 01:27:40,000
having seen

2273
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:42,080
tucker carlson talk about it because

2274
01:27:48,310 --> 01:27:44,880
they watch the guy you know and without

2275
01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:48,320
that it might not have been uh very uh

2276
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:49,920
digestible

2277
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:52,080
you know but since they see that guy

2278
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:54,239
talk about it it's like oh yeah i see

2279
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:56,080
him talk about yeah there's something

2280
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:58,000
going on there right and we need

2281
01:28:02,550 --> 01:28:00,719
everybody to get on that some same sort

2282
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:02,560
of page and something that you hear a

2283
01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:04,480
lot with this stuff is like katie just

2284
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:07,600
said it um let's let's get some more

2285
01:28:12,870 --> 01:28:10,639
um people that are less divisive to to

2286
01:28:15,430 --> 01:28:12,880
talk about this totally

2287
01:28:17,030 --> 01:28:15,440
but i i also don't think that they're

2288
01:28:19,110 --> 01:28:17,040
picking and choosing

2289
01:28:20,709 --> 01:28:19,120
uh who they can talk to about it either

2290
01:28:22,629 --> 01:28:20,719
i don't think they're

2291
01:28:24,550 --> 01:28:22,639
saying now we can talk to any news

2292
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:24,560
anchor we want but we're going straight

2293
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:26,560
to tucker you know i

2294
01:28:32,629 --> 01:28:29,360
i think it's more like who's willing

2295
01:28:35,270 --> 01:28:32,639
and who has uh a big audience right

2296
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:35,280
and yeah that's just where it falls

2297
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:36,639
i think that there's i think that

2298
01:28:41,110 --> 01:28:39,520
there's i think that there's a lot there

2299
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:41,120
i also think that

2300
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:43,280
i agree with you that at this point

2301
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:45,520
there are some strange bedfellows in

2302
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:48,800
terms of of people coming together

2303
01:28:51,669 --> 01:28:49,679
um

2304
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:51,679
and that it's good that there are

2305
01:28:56,070 --> 01:28:54,239
strange bedfellows often because you

2306
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:56,080
know it's it's a point that we can be

2307
01:29:00,470 --> 01:28:58,880
proud of in many ways um

2308
01:29:01,830 --> 01:29:00,480
that that

2309
01:29:06,790 --> 01:29:01,840
we can

2310
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:06,800
can't in today's very divisive kind of

2311
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:10,000
pop culture landscape and and be able to

2312
01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:12,880
look at things like data and look at

2313
01:29:17,430 --> 01:29:15,520
and and think about these big huge

2314
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:17,440
questions and be able to get to a bigger

2315
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:20,480
place with it right and it's and there's

2316
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:22,560
also the possibility that

2317
01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:24,400
you know um

2318
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:26,560
for a guy like gary nolan

2319
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:28,239
um who's

2320
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:31,040
who's very tech savvy you know he runs

2321
01:29:36,229 --> 01:29:33,120
his own lab out at stanford

2322
01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:36,239
he's an out you know gay man with a

2323
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:38,639
partner that he's had for for quite a

2324
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:39,840
long time

2325
01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:42,719
um you know him going on

2326
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:44,880
uh a show like that

2327
01:29:48,790 --> 01:29:46,880
you know that's bridging a gap in and of

2328
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:48,800
itself you know

2329
01:29:53,510 --> 01:29:51,040
yeah there's irony right there in and of

2330
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:53,520
itself just that fact

2331
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:54,560
you know

2332
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:55,679
uh yeah

2333
01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:57,360
gary nolan doesn't agree with the guy's

2334
01:30:01,590 --> 01:29:59,280
politics as far as i know

2335
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:01,600
uh he doesn't mind

2336
01:30:07,189 --> 01:30:04,320
that people know that he is a gay man

2337
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:07,199
and tucker carlson you know as far as uh

2338
01:30:13,350 --> 01:30:10,480
most from the left side would think is

2339
01:30:18,149 --> 01:30:13,360
that's going to be an explosion of an

2340
01:30:22,229 --> 01:30:20,470
right you know parts of it were actually

2341
01:30:23,669 --> 01:30:22,239
quite beautiful

2342
01:30:27,669 --> 01:30:23,679
absolutely

2343
01:30:29,110 --> 01:30:27,679
and and it was one of the few situations

2344
01:30:30,629 --> 01:30:29,120
you know i don't

2345
01:30:34,470 --> 01:30:30,639
first of all i mean

2346
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:34,480
i i kind of steer clear of of partisan

2347
01:30:37,990 --> 01:30:36,159
politics in general

2348
01:30:39,750 --> 01:30:38,000
in the last years partially that's for

2349
01:30:41,270 --> 01:30:39,760
the sake of the experiencer group

2350
01:30:43,910 --> 01:30:41,280
partially it's so that people can like

2351
01:30:46,229 --> 01:30:43,920
listen to me and listen to the show with

2352
01:30:48,950 --> 01:30:46,239
clear head you know things like that i

2353
01:30:50,629 --> 01:30:48,960
think it's pretty important and

2354
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:50,639
you know and but from

2355
01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:53,600
for my own sake you know because of the

2356
01:30:57,430 --> 01:30:55,360
way that things have been so divisive

2357
01:31:01,830 --> 01:30:57,440
the last years i don't watch as much

2358
01:31:06,149 --> 01:31:01,840
cable news as i used to when no i i know

2359
01:31:07,430 --> 01:31:06,159
i can't stand it dude i cannot stand it

2360
01:31:10,470 --> 01:31:07,440
at all

2361
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:10,480
because and it it's so obvious you put

2362
01:31:17,189 --> 01:31:12,480
both each channel on whether it's fox or

2363
01:31:19,430 --> 01:31:17,199
cnn each one has their um their agenda

2364
01:31:21,750 --> 01:31:19,440
against the other one sure they're just

2365
01:31:24,790 --> 01:31:21,760
completely dedicated to and it's like i

2366
01:31:27,350 --> 01:31:24,800
can't even watch this like

2367
01:31:28,790 --> 01:31:27,360
it's it's just it just sucks you know i

2368
01:31:30,790 --> 01:31:28,800
wasn't yeah

2369
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:30,800
it is what it is but i like staying

2370
01:31:34,709 --> 01:31:32,960
informed but i have to read it just

2371
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:34,719
partially just because of

2372
01:31:38,629 --> 01:31:35,520
how

2373
01:31:41,590 --> 01:31:38,639
the the video

2374
01:31:43,590 --> 01:31:41,600
medium especially with tv how much it

2375
01:31:44,470 --> 01:31:43,600
kind of gets how how much it's based

2376
01:31:46,629 --> 01:31:44,480
around

2377
01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:46,639
triggering people and kind of trying to

2378
01:31:49,189 --> 01:31:48,400
elicit responses

2379
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:49,199
and

2380
01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:53,679
like your team or the other team you

2381
01:31:57,669 --> 01:31:54,639
know

2382
01:31:59,830 --> 01:31:57,679
like or you don't feel like your team is

2383
01:32:02,950 --> 01:31:59,840
even being represented

2384
01:32:05,830 --> 01:32:02,960
yeah which is many people you know

2385
01:32:07,590 --> 01:32:05,840
it can be a real challenge and you know

2386
01:32:10,629 --> 01:32:07,600
i was

2387
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:10,639
um go ahead yeah what were some of your

2388
01:32:15,350 --> 01:32:12,960
takeaways uh from from the nolan

2389
01:32:18,070 --> 01:32:15,360
interview and and even

2390
01:32:20,470 --> 01:32:18,080
um the the other interview with uh rep

2391
01:32:23,110 --> 01:32:20,480
gallagher that and crenshaw that we put

2392
01:32:25,590 --> 01:32:23,120
in the description there that's right um

2393
01:32:27,510 --> 01:32:25,600
i think in terms of gary noland one of

2394
01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:27,520
the cool takeaways

2395
01:32:30,470 --> 01:32:28,880
i don't know if you

2396
01:32:31,590 --> 01:32:30,480
mentioned it on the show yesterday was

2397
01:32:37,590 --> 01:32:31,600
that he

2398
01:32:40,790 --> 01:32:37,600
briefed representative mike gallagher

2399
01:32:43,669 --> 01:32:40,800
and that it sounded like he was at least

2400
01:32:45,830 --> 01:32:43,679
one he was maybe the only person but he

2401
01:32:48,550 --> 01:32:45,840
was certainly one of the people that

2402
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:48,560
seemed to have brought brought up the

2403
01:32:53,110 --> 01:32:51,600
topic of the wilson davis docks to mike

2404
01:32:54,070 --> 01:32:53,120
gallagher

2405
01:32:59,430 --> 01:32:54,080
so

2406
01:33:01,750 --> 01:32:59,440
well just that he was he was willing to

2407
01:33:04,470 --> 01:33:01,760
go there and that he would that he

2408
01:33:07,270 --> 01:33:04,480
stated it outright was pretty amazing

2409
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:07,280
and you know there again mike gallagher

2410
01:33:11,669 --> 01:33:08,400
is a republican

2411
01:33:12,870 --> 01:33:11,679
uh gary nolan is not and he for the

2412
01:33:15,510 --> 01:33:12,880
purposes

2413
01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:15,520
of this topic he was going in and

2414
01:33:20,070 --> 01:33:17,760
briefing a republican

2415
01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:20,080
uh congressperson and he may not have

2416
01:33:25,990 --> 01:33:23,440
been the only one you know yeah um and

2417
01:33:27,910 --> 01:33:26,000
so that's great you know so who do you

2418
01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:27,920
think told him

2419
01:33:31,750 --> 01:33:30,560
about the validity of the wilson davis

2420
01:33:34,709 --> 01:33:31,760
notes

2421
01:33:36,629 --> 01:33:34,719
i mean i i don't know i have seen a fair

2422
01:33:37,830 --> 01:33:36,639
amount of pictures oh you can't lie to

2423
01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:37,840
me

2424
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:42,880
pictures of gary nolan and eric davis

2425
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:45,280
together over the years you know who

2426
01:33:49,270 --> 01:33:47,360
what that wasn't their interview maybe

2427
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:49,280
it was lex friedman or something with

2428
01:33:53,830 --> 01:33:51,840
gary nolan where you know

2429
01:33:55,750 --> 01:33:53,840
they were talking about stuff like this

2430
01:33:57,430 --> 01:33:55,760
and he was asked like well how would you

2431
01:34:00,790 --> 01:33:57,440
know who told you he goes well i was

2432
01:34:03,590 --> 01:34:00,800
told by somebody that can't lie

2433
01:34:05,910 --> 01:34:03,600
that's right and who have we

2434
01:34:07,510 --> 01:34:05,920
we've heard about eric davis as the men

2435
01:34:10,629 --> 01:34:07,520
that can't lie

2436
01:34:12,149 --> 01:34:10,639
that's right from louisando as well so

2437
01:34:14,629 --> 01:34:12,159
that's right and other people have

2438
01:34:18,790 --> 01:34:14,639
mentioned them that way too and so for

2439
01:34:21,669 --> 01:34:18,800
those of you that don't know um or uh

2440
01:34:23,910 --> 01:34:21,679
we did an episode earlier about the the

2441
01:34:26,070 --> 01:34:23,920
eric davis admiral wilson docks and you

2442
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:26,080
should check that out for more context

2443
01:34:31,030 --> 01:34:28,320
there but eric davis is a guy that

2444
01:34:32,790 --> 01:34:31,040
actually worked for hal put off for over

2445
01:34:33,990 --> 01:34:32,800
20 years

2446
01:34:37,590 --> 01:34:34,000
and right

2447
01:34:40,950 --> 01:34:37,600
and now um works in huntsville alabama

2448
01:34:42,870 --> 01:34:40,960
um for for a different technology

2449
01:34:46,149 --> 01:34:42,880
defense contractor called aerospace

2450
01:34:48,229 --> 01:34:46,159
corporation um but eric davis was hal

2451
01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:48,239
put off chief scientist for many many

2452
01:34:50,550 --> 01:34:49,600
many years

2453
01:34:53,510 --> 01:34:50,560
and

2454
01:35:00,390 --> 01:34:53,520
um

2455
01:35:01,669 --> 01:35:00,400
himself

2456
01:35:04,149 --> 01:35:01,679
may have

2457
01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:04,159
been the guy that essentially assigned

2458
01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:06,400
eric davis to go do this meeting with

2459
01:35:10,070 --> 01:35:07,920
admiral wilson

2460
01:35:11,830 --> 01:35:10,080
poor eric davis

2461
01:35:13,590 --> 01:35:11,840
yeah

2462
01:35:15,270 --> 01:35:13,600
right and this is going to be talked

2463
01:35:17,109 --> 01:35:15,280
about forever

2464
01:35:19,109 --> 01:35:17,119
yeah

2465
01:35:20,550 --> 01:35:19,119
it's like you owe me some reparations at

2466
01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:20,560
that point sir

2467
01:35:23,669 --> 01:35:21,760
that's right

2468
01:35:24,550 --> 01:35:23,679
now i don't know if that i don't i i

2469
01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:24,560
don't know

2470
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:26,159
for myself whether that's true or not

2471
01:35:30,629 --> 01:35:28,400
you know i don't have an email from how

2472
01:35:32,390 --> 01:35:30,639
put off telling her to go to to go to

2473
01:35:33,750 --> 01:35:32,400
nevada and do this meeting

2474
01:35:35,189 --> 01:35:33,760
but you know it's been around for a

2475
01:35:37,030 --> 01:35:35,199
while and

2476
01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:37,040
you know it was

2477
01:35:46,070 --> 01:35:43,350
eric davis isn't gonna be like i'm just

2478
01:35:47,669 --> 01:35:46,080
gonna get into some swappy area just for

2479
01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:47,679
the fun of it

2480
01:35:52,629 --> 01:35:50,320
yeah just gonna dig in yeah it's very

2481
01:35:54,709 --> 01:35:52,639
safe to assume that hal at least knew

2482
01:35:58,229 --> 01:35:54,719
the meeting was taking place

2483
01:35:59,109 --> 01:35:58,239
and probably got those notes afterwards

2484
01:36:02,790 --> 01:35:59,119
yeah

2485
01:36:04,229 --> 01:36:02,800
uh one way or another right you didn't

2486
01:36:07,109 --> 01:36:04,239
hear it here

2487
01:36:08,950 --> 01:36:07,119
but probably yeah

2488
01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:08,960
uh interesting with the the rep

2489
01:36:13,430 --> 01:36:11,679
gallagher and crenshaw interview um

2490
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:13,440
they were talking about the wilson davis

2491
01:36:17,510 --> 01:36:15,600
notes right that's right um

2492
01:36:21,350 --> 01:36:17,520
a couple of interesting things that that

2493
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:21,360
i uh took away from that

2494
01:36:25,510 --> 01:36:24,159
and the first one is uh their openness

2495
01:36:29,109 --> 01:36:25,520
to be able to talk about it i thought

2496
01:36:32,709 --> 01:36:29,119
that was great right yeah um

2497
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:32,719
something mentioned on there was

2498
01:36:35,910 --> 01:36:34,320
gallagher and he was just saying it in

2499
01:36:37,910 --> 01:36:35,920
passing but

2500
01:36:40,229 --> 01:36:37,920
talking about the the vehicles and he

2501
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:40,239
was he brought up reverse engineered

2502
01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:42,960
stealth technology and he said stealth

2503
01:36:48,310 --> 01:36:44,800
technology and what that made me think

2504
01:36:50,550 --> 01:36:48,320
of was mr bill clinton was on a late

2505
01:36:53,430 --> 01:36:50,560
night talk show recently

2506
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:53,440
and he talked about how he had people um

2507
01:36:58,390 --> 01:36:56,400
go to area 51 and check out the place

2508
01:37:01,669 --> 01:36:58,400
and he mentioned that is where we

2509
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:01,679
developed stealth technology

2510
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:04,400
so i thought that was an interesting uh

2511
01:37:09,030 --> 01:37:06,719
connection there um they also talked

2512
01:37:11,109 --> 01:37:09,040
about immunity language

2513
01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:11,119
and what was interesting there is mr dan

2514
01:37:13,990 --> 01:37:12,400
crenshaw

2515
01:37:17,350 --> 01:37:14,000
knew that

2516
01:37:18,629 --> 01:37:17,360
um ufo twitter was very excited about

2517
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:18,639
that language

2518
01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:21,360
which to me says well that guy is paying

2519
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:23,760
attention to what we're doing

2520
01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:25,840
and he's a lawmaker so that's

2521
01:37:28,709 --> 01:37:26,960
interesting

2522
01:37:31,590 --> 01:37:28,719
absolutely

2523
01:37:34,390 --> 01:37:31,600
and yeah so i i thought that was uh

2524
01:37:36,629 --> 01:37:34,400
pretty interesting and um he's gallagher

2525
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:36,639
specifically mentioned um

2526
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:38,960
that they're you know in when they're

2527
01:37:41,990 --> 01:37:40,560
looking at these phenomena and the

2528
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:42,000
different phenomena

2529
01:37:46,470 --> 01:37:43,920
um

2530
01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:46,480
there's unexplained things uh going

2531
01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:49,040
around in the air but he said that there

2532
01:37:54,390 --> 01:37:51,760
are facts involved with it

2533
01:37:56,550 --> 01:37:54,400
that make it unexplained in that other

2534
01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:56,560
than it being uh natural weather

2535
01:38:01,189 --> 01:37:58,480
phenomena which was really the only

2536
01:38:03,830 --> 01:38:01,199
option other than foreign

2537
01:38:06,070 --> 01:38:03,840
technology or american technology it was

2538
01:38:08,470 --> 01:38:06,080
natural weather phenomena so he kind of

2539
01:38:10,709 --> 01:38:08,480
crossed that one off the list for us on

2540
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:10,719
that podcast interview which is very

2541
01:38:13,830 --> 01:38:12,960
interesting very interesting

2542
01:38:16,870 --> 01:38:13,840
so

2543
01:38:18,629 --> 01:38:16,880
and uh both crenshaw and dude were

2544
01:38:20,790 --> 01:38:18,639
gallagher were like uh they couldn't

2545
01:38:22,709 --> 01:38:20,800
imagine how it would be first of all

2546
01:38:25,830 --> 01:38:22,719
american tech and how there wouldn't be

2547
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:25,840
any deconfliction by now you know how

2548
01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:29,040
that wouldn't be possible and uh how

2549
01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:30,719
kind of implausible that it would be

2550
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:33,360
would be uh china or russia so

2551
01:38:36,629 --> 01:38:34,960
right it's interesting how they're

2552
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:36,639
openly talking about that it just kind

2553
01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:38,320
of further laments the point that we're

2554
01:38:42,149 --> 01:38:40,000
dealing with something different off

2555
01:38:44,870 --> 01:38:42,159
world as gary nolan would would say his

2556
01:38:47,109 --> 01:38:44,880
people uh told him you know in his

2557
01:38:48,550 --> 01:38:47,119
interview with tucker

2558
01:38:50,470 --> 01:38:48,560
one thing i think that's right that

2559
01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:50,480
would be worth talking about i guess

2560
01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:51,920
we're kind of i don't know how we're

2561
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:53,440
doing on time i should probably get out

2562
01:38:57,030 --> 01:38:54,719
of here i guess but

2563
01:39:00,149 --> 01:38:57,040
uh from the gary nolan tucker carlson

2564
01:39:01,510 --> 01:39:00,159
interview he made the uh exhaust plume

2565
01:39:03,430 --> 01:39:01,520
idea where

2566
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:03,440
you know when people get injured by ufos

2567
01:39:08,229 --> 01:39:06,239
or whatever um it's not so much that

2568
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:08,239
maybe they aren't intending that but

2569
01:39:13,109 --> 01:39:10,080
you're kind of

2570
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:13,119
accidentally in the way you know uh how

2571
01:39:16,950 --> 01:39:14,960
an airplane can be dangerous if you're

2572
01:39:20,310 --> 01:39:16,960
in the exhaust bloom but not so much if

2573
01:39:22,390 --> 01:39:20,320
you're on board you know that's right um

2574
01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:22,400
which i thought was uh very interesting

2575
01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:23,679
you know and maybe you can give a good

2576
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:26,719
take on this what do you think of that

2577
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:27,600
take

2578
01:39:31,430 --> 01:39:29,840
considering there are things like

2579
01:39:32,470 --> 01:39:31,440
abductions where people seem to be

2580
01:39:36,149 --> 01:39:32,480
targeted

2581
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:36,159
you know or other types of uh scenarios

2582
01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:38,000
that are eluding me right now

2583
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:40,159
yeah no i think i think that i think

2584
01:39:44,709 --> 01:39:42,400
it's a both and situation again

2585
01:39:46,629 --> 01:39:44,719
i think that that it seems like for

2586
01:39:48,470 --> 01:39:46,639
example famously with the rendelsham

2587
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:48,480
case and other cases

2588
01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:50,560
that it's that

2589
01:39:55,350 --> 01:39:53,119
as gary nolan pointed out it's very hard

2590
01:39:58,229 --> 01:39:55,360
when you see something like that

2591
01:39:59,910 --> 01:39:58,239
um to not want to you know there's going

2592
01:40:00,870 --> 01:39:59,920
to be a couple different

2593
01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:00,880
major

2594
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:03,760
impulses one is to run for the hills

2595
01:40:07,510 --> 01:40:06,000
and one is to investigate

2596
01:40:08,550 --> 01:40:07,520
another one is depending on who you are

2597
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:08,560
where you are

2598
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:11,360
which happens a lot people like i've

2599
01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:13,040
read a lot of accounts where people are

2600
01:40:16,790 --> 01:40:14,800
just like uh they can't move because

2601
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:16,800
they're just in that much fear you know

2602
01:40:20,070 --> 01:40:18,560
yeah and then there's speculation about

2603
01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:20,080
did they freeze me or did i freeze

2604
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:22,880
myself and that's it and it's a very

2605
01:40:26,709 --> 01:40:24,719
and i think both of those things

2606
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:26,719
probably happen there but you know i

2607
01:40:30,470 --> 01:40:28,560
think that it's

2608
01:40:33,030 --> 01:40:30,480
you know it's interesting that for

2609
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:33,040
example with gary nolan's work and with

2610
01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:34,320
kit greene's

2611
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:36,880
uh recently um

2612
01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:39,280
uh released dirt paper that we also

2613
01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:42,400
covered in in a prior show uh kit green

2614
01:40:46,629 --> 01:40:44,960
was also looking at biological effects

2615
01:40:48,790 --> 01:40:46,639
and that was in a paper that by the way

2616
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:48,800
was commissioned by hal put off

2617
01:40:53,990 --> 01:40:50,800
bringing it back to help it off yet

2618
01:40:56,149 --> 01:40:54,000
again for the show um but but kid green

2619
01:40:56,950 --> 01:40:56,159
you know he was tasked

2620
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:56,960
with

2621
01:41:03,990 --> 01:41:01,119
from basically like the exhaust plume

2622
01:41:06,390 --> 01:41:04,000
effect being too close to being too

2623
01:41:09,669 --> 01:41:06,400
close to a craft and getting radiation

2624
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:09,679
damages essentially but kit greens

2625
01:41:15,030 --> 01:41:12,239
he's plainly stated in this paper that

2626
01:41:17,590 --> 01:41:15,040
the reason why he was being tasked with

2627
01:41:20,390 --> 01:41:17,600
this was essentially not necessarily for

2628
01:41:22,709 --> 01:41:20,400
the health the continued health of the

2629
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:22,719
experiencer themselves but so that they

2630
01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:24,880
could they could take those biological

2631
01:41:30,830 --> 01:41:27,760
effects and then use that to to reverse

2632
01:41:32,470 --> 01:41:30,840
engineer exotic propulsion technology

2633
01:41:35,510 --> 01:41:32,480
themselves yeah

2634
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:35,520
and as we can see on the brain scan clip

2635
01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:37,600
that gary nolan is showing on the tucker

2636
01:41:46,870 --> 01:41:41,840
carlson show it plainly says d-o-e

2637
01:41:48,629 --> 01:41:46,880
um propulsion uh gravity research so um

2638
01:41:50,709 --> 01:41:48,639
absolutely i think there's your nail in

2639
01:41:53,350 --> 01:41:50,719
the coffin on that i would say well and

2640
01:41:55,669 --> 01:41:53,360
also hal put off you know earth tech

2641
01:41:59,189 --> 01:41:55,679
he very plainly states that for over the

2642
01:42:00,629 --> 01:41:59,199
last 15 20 years that he's that his

2643
01:42:01,590 --> 01:42:00,639
he's been doing

2644
01:42:04,310 --> 01:42:01,600
um

2645
01:42:06,709 --> 01:42:04,320
quiet projects in in

2646
01:42:09,350 --> 01:42:06,719
exotic propulsion research right right

2647
01:42:10,870 --> 01:42:09,360
and who was his chief science officer

2648
01:42:12,550 --> 01:42:10,880
was eric davis

2649
01:42:14,470 --> 01:42:12,560
and then eric davis went over to

2650
01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:14,480
aerospace corporation in huntsville

2651
01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:17,600
alabama which is notably long rumored to

2652
01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:18,400
be

2653
01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:20,880
a a hot spot

2654
01:42:24,870 --> 01:42:22,480
for

2655
01:42:27,189 --> 01:42:24,880
experimental aircraft design

2656
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:27,199
and advanced propulsion research

2657
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:29,760
interestingly it's also

2658
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:31,840
there have also been

2659
01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:34,080
it's interesting one interesting thing

2660
01:42:37,990 --> 01:42:35,920
here that that

2661
01:42:40,629 --> 01:42:38,000
i i kind of

2662
01:42:44,470 --> 01:42:40,639
can walk close to but is almost too hot

2663
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:44,480
to handle in some ways is is gary nolan

2664
01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:47,520
being handed a group of 100 cases where

2665
01:42:52,070 --> 01:42:50,400
about 90 of them are havana syndrome and

2666
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:52,080
about 10 of them

2667
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:53,920
are somebody getting too close to a

2668
01:42:57,990 --> 01:42:56,400
craft and that those were

2669
01:42:59,990 --> 01:42:58,000
that they were close to each other but

2670
01:43:01,990 --> 01:43:00,000
they weren't exactly the same thing and

2671
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:02,000
that he was able to tell the difference

2672
01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:03,679
between the two right

2673
01:43:07,430 --> 01:43:04,719
right now

2674
01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:07,440
now that's very exciting

2675
01:43:12,470 --> 01:43:10,000
that doesn't seem like an accident right

2676
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:12,480
and that's and i

2677
01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:15,280
wonder you have to wonder in some ways

2678
01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:17,040
um

2679
01:43:19,669 --> 01:43:18,080
uh

2680
01:43:22,390 --> 01:43:19,679
you know did

2681
01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:22,400
did the people who tasked him with this

2682
01:43:26,790 --> 01:43:24,400
that walked in unannounced at stanford

2683
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:26,800
as he said in that interview

2684
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:29,280
into his lab and handed them all these

2685
01:43:34,310 --> 01:43:31,760
cases and a bunch of documentation did

2686
01:43:36,550 --> 01:43:34,320
they know which of those cases

2687
01:43:39,990 --> 01:43:36,560
were havana syndrome did they know what

2688
01:43:41,750 --> 01:43:40,000
havana syndrome was at that time and and

2689
01:43:43,510 --> 01:43:41,760
did they know

2690
01:43:44,709 --> 01:43:43,520
you know it seems very well calibrated

2691
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:44,719
they know

2692
01:43:47,910 --> 01:43:45,600
yeah

2693
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:47,920
it seems exceptionally well calibrated

2694
01:43:52,709 --> 01:43:51,280
that 10 of those cases would would be

2695
01:43:55,030 --> 01:43:52,719
you know craft

2696
01:43:57,109 --> 01:43:55,040
quote unquote possibly not of this world

2697
01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:57,119
and that ninety percent of them

2698
01:44:00,470 --> 01:43:57,920
were

2699
01:44:02,470 --> 01:44:00,480
havana syndrome which is almost as if

2700
01:44:04,229 --> 01:44:02,480
they're saying let's see if this guy can

2701
01:44:07,350 --> 01:44:04,239
tell the difference between the two

2702
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:07,360
right possibly possibly

2703
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:08,480
yeah

2704
01:44:12,709 --> 01:44:10,480
very interesting and uh

2705
01:44:14,149 --> 01:44:12,719
katie makes the point uh

2706
01:44:16,470 --> 01:44:14,159
of um

2707
01:44:18,390 --> 01:44:16,480
as far as we knew as the cia is even

2708
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:18,400
curious sit down tucker that

2709
01:44:23,030 --> 01:44:21,280
brought this stuff to him although the

2710
01:44:24,629 --> 01:44:23,040
you know sheet that he showed clearly

2711
01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:24,639
says department of energy so how does

2712
01:44:28,070 --> 01:44:25,760
that work

2713
01:44:29,510 --> 01:44:28,080
that's right that's right and she said

2714
01:44:31,990 --> 01:44:29,520
it says it makes her think that there

2715
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:32,000
was already a pre-existing interagency

2716
01:44:37,189 --> 01:44:35,280
kind of thing going on there and i

2717
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:37,199
i would not doubt that at all i would

2718
01:44:42,149 --> 01:44:40,000
not doubt that at all you know i mean

2719
01:44:44,229 --> 01:44:42,159
i think that you know the department of

2720
01:44:47,189 --> 01:44:44,239
energy has played into

2721
01:44:49,830 --> 01:44:47,199
um you know many situations with regard

2722
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:49,840
to this this topic and you know even

2723
01:44:56,070 --> 01:44:52,960
their parking lot has has played into

2724
01:44:57,990 --> 01:44:56,080
um you know the david the davis and

2725
01:44:58,710 --> 01:44:58,000
wilson saga as well

2726
01:45:01,669 --> 01:44:58,720
that's right

2727
01:45:04,070 --> 01:45:01,679
[Laughter]

2728
01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:04,080
so it's all just mixed up in there yeah

2729
01:45:08,070 --> 01:45:06,480
yep there's there's a big in in mesh

2730
01:45:10,390 --> 01:45:08,080
network that we're that we're mapping

2731
01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:10,400
out here today and for the last month

2732
01:45:14,229 --> 01:45:12,400
but gary noland doesn't go on tucker

2733
01:45:18,310 --> 01:45:14,239
cross and and say the things that he

2734
01:45:20,390 --> 01:45:18,320
said without uh some sort of um

2735
01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:20,400
i want to get this stuff out here like a

2736
01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:23,280
concerted effort an idea of like i want

2737
01:45:27,669 --> 01:45:25,440
to get this information out and this is

2738
01:45:29,270 --> 01:45:27,679
what you know so this is what i have to

2739
01:45:31,189 --> 01:45:29,280
do you know you're not just like sitting

2740
01:45:32,629 --> 01:45:31,199
around doing your own thing and and

2741
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:32,639
someone's like hey do you feel like

2742
01:45:36,390 --> 01:45:34,719
talking about stuff you know it's like

2743
01:45:40,550 --> 01:45:36,400
he wants

2744
01:45:42,229 --> 01:45:40,560
information out there you know and and i

2745
01:45:44,310 --> 01:45:42,239
really appreciate that and you could

2746
01:45:46,149 --> 01:45:44,320
almost say that maybe hal wants to as

2747
01:45:47,990 --> 01:45:46,159
well be that you know the paper comes

2748
01:45:50,550 --> 01:45:48,000
out gary's talking about a lot of stuff

2749
01:45:52,629 --> 01:45:50,560
that's in the freaking paper even

2750
01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:52,639
you know avatars possibly being

2751
01:45:55,350 --> 01:45:54,480
responsible for some of these craze or

2752
01:45:56,310 --> 01:45:55,360
whatever

2753
01:45:59,030 --> 01:45:56,320
that's right

2754
01:46:02,229 --> 01:45:59,040
so um you know the stuff going on in

2755
01:46:03,910 --> 01:46:02,239
congress um wilson davis documents it's

2756
01:46:06,310 --> 01:46:03,920
all just kind of coming together i can't

2757
01:46:08,470 --> 01:46:06,320
wait to see where it ends up

2758
01:46:10,870 --> 01:46:08,480
i completely agree with you and i'm i'm

2759
01:46:13,350 --> 01:46:10,880
really glad that that gary

2760
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:13,360
is that dr nolan is in front of the

2761
01:46:18,470 --> 01:46:15,920
curtain these days and he's willing to

2762
01:46:20,790 --> 01:46:18,480
to put himself out there and he's he's

2763
01:46:24,790 --> 01:46:20,800
exactly the kind of great personality

2764
01:46:27,750 --> 01:46:24,800
that's and with with fantastic resources

2765
01:46:30,470 --> 01:46:27,760
with an impeccable pedigree that is and

2766
01:46:33,109 --> 01:46:30,480
such an exceptional mind that that can

2767
01:46:35,590 --> 01:46:33,119
have these conversations and is even

2768
01:46:37,910 --> 01:46:35,600
willing to to

2769
01:46:39,590 --> 01:46:37,920
um he's willing to do it in places that

2770
01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:39,600
you wouldn't necessarily expect him to

2771
01:46:43,430 --> 01:46:40,480
go

2772
01:46:45,669 --> 01:46:43,440
you're seeing him uh do it with

2773
01:46:48,310 --> 01:46:45,679
have the conversation with with people

2774
01:46:52,709 --> 01:46:48,320
that you wouldn't necessarily associate

2775
01:46:55,270 --> 01:46:52,719
um with him politically maybe you and

2776
01:46:58,390 --> 01:46:55,280
and also online we're also used to

2777
01:47:00,229 --> 01:46:58,400
seeing him doing it in a relatively

2778
01:47:01,750 --> 01:47:00,239
he's not afraid to have a combative

2779
01:47:04,229 --> 01:47:01,760
conversation every once in a while

2780
01:47:06,470 --> 01:47:04,239
either right he even seems to relish it

2781
01:47:08,950 --> 01:47:06,480
i mean diana pasulka even wrote about

2782
01:47:11,350 --> 01:47:08,960
him that way in american cosmic before

2783
01:47:13,350 --> 01:47:11,360
she was even able to identify it as gary

2784
01:47:15,350 --> 01:47:13,360
nolan which is fantastic

2785
01:47:17,669 --> 01:47:15,360
that's another thing another little deep

2786
01:47:21,030 --> 01:47:17,679
cut for for for folks in the audience

2787
01:47:22,470 --> 01:47:21,040
today is is to remind folks that that dr

2788
01:47:24,709 --> 01:47:22,480
diana basulka

2789
01:47:27,669 --> 01:47:24,719
wrote like famously wrote about gary

2790
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:27,679
nolan in extraordinary depth and and a

2791
01:47:31,830 --> 01:47:29,920
very revealing portrait in her book

2792
01:47:33,510 --> 01:47:31,840
american cosmic and for those that want

2793
01:47:36,390 --> 01:47:33,520
to have a better picture of who this guy

2794
01:47:37,590 --> 01:47:36,400
is beyond his wikipedia page or beyond

2795
01:47:41,430 --> 01:47:37,600
his bio

2796
01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:41,440
uh on stanford.edu um

2797
01:47:46,229 --> 01:47:43,840
uh you you may want to go for american

2798
01:47:47,270 --> 01:47:46,239
cosmic because it's a it's a it's a very

2799
01:47:50,709 --> 01:47:47,280
warm

2800
01:47:52,390 --> 01:47:50,719
um and revealing and beautiful portrait

2801
01:47:54,229 --> 01:47:52,400
of a guy

2802
01:47:55,430 --> 01:47:54,239
really looking for answers i think it's

2803
01:47:57,430 --> 01:47:55,440
awesome

2804
01:47:58,870 --> 01:47:57,440
it is yeah you can really you know if

2805
01:48:00,310 --> 01:47:58,880
you've had your own experiences or

2806
01:48:02,070 --> 01:48:00,320
whatever even if you haven't and you're

2807
01:48:03,669 --> 01:48:02,080
just really um

2808
01:48:05,270 --> 01:48:03,679
you know i consider a lot of people are

2809
01:48:06,870 --> 01:48:05,280
invested in this topic who haven't you

2810
01:48:10,149 --> 01:48:06,880
know maybe seen a craft or had

2811
01:48:12,629 --> 01:48:10,159
paranormal stuff happen to them to me

2812
01:48:14,310 --> 01:48:12,639
they're still an experiencer in some way

2813
01:48:16,870 --> 01:48:14,320
because they're around and being

2814
01:48:19,510 --> 01:48:16,880
affected by everything that's happening

2815
01:48:21,270 --> 01:48:19,520
you know uh which includes a lot of

2816
01:48:23,430 --> 01:48:21,280
experiences so even with that being said

2817
01:48:25,430 --> 01:48:23,440
just like you can really put yourself in

2818
01:48:27,669 --> 01:48:25,440
that person's choosing that book is why

2819
01:48:28,709 --> 01:48:27,679
i said that so for sure

2820
01:48:30,390 --> 01:48:28,719
and

2821
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:30,400
along the lines of gary nolan being in

2822
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:31,920
front of the curtain it's also cool to

2823
01:48:35,590 --> 01:48:33,199
have this brief

2824
01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:35,600
moment in front of the curtain for hal

2825
01:48:41,430 --> 01:48:39,440
put off as well and you know i

2826
01:48:44,070 --> 01:48:41,440
i was lucky enough to be able to read

2827
01:48:45,669 --> 01:48:44,080
this paper before it was published like

2828
01:48:47,109 --> 01:48:45,679
an earlier version of the paper that was

2829
01:48:48,229 --> 01:48:47,119
floating around that he had written some

2830
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:48,239
time ago

2831
01:48:54,229 --> 01:48:51,679
and he did make significant revisions

2832
01:48:55,990 --> 01:48:54,239
from the paper that i remember to what's

2833
01:48:57,189 --> 01:48:56,000
what's here today

2834
01:48:59,830 --> 01:48:57,199
and so

2835
01:49:01,910 --> 01:48:59,840
so seeing seeing him kind of rework it

2836
01:49:06,070 --> 01:49:01,920
and put in newer references and

2837
01:49:06,950 --> 01:49:06,080
elaborate uh in in some more depth here

2838
01:49:08,790 --> 01:49:06,960
and

2839
01:49:11,910 --> 01:49:08,800
what he kind of switched out what he put

2840
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:11,920
in um i can't because i was only able to

2841
01:49:16,070 --> 01:49:14,159
read the prior version of the paper i

2842
01:49:18,229 --> 01:49:16,080
only have um

2843
01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:18,239
from memory the differences and there

2844
01:49:22,629 --> 01:49:20,480
are some cases that are different and

2845
01:49:25,030 --> 01:49:22,639
that are different here and some more um

2846
01:49:26,950 --> 01:49:25,040
contemporary relevant notes but it's

2847
01:49:29,669 --> 01:49:26,960
cool that a guy that's in a position

2848
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:29,679
like that who's kind of very much seen

2849
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:32,320
as the man behind the curtain uh in a

2850
01:49:43,189 --> 01:49:39,669
did this did another kind of rare peak

2851
01:49:45,589 --> 01:49:43,199
outside to to

2852
01:49:47,990 --> 01:49:45,599
to help us get the conversation going

2853
01:49:49,430 --> 01:49:48,000
again in a wider framework really cool

2854
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:49,440
yeah

2855
01:49:53,270 --> 01:49:51,360
well

2856
01:49:55,189 --> 01:49:53,280
what do you say i think we had a great

2857
01:49:56,790 --> 01:49:55,199
show we went for an hour 50. that's

2858
01:49:58,470 --> 01:49:56,800
that's a record

2859
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:58,480
yeah i think it is i think it's probably

2860
01:50:03,109 --> 01:50:00,080
i think it's the longest show that we've

2861
01:50:04,229 --> 01:50:03,119
had yeah um yeah we didn't plan to go

2862
01:50:05,990 --> 01:50:04,239
that long

2863
01:50:07,189 --> 01:50:06,000
no and there's other stuff we you know

2864
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:07,199
we could have gotten into a little bit

2865
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:10,000
more depth on but i think we boy did we

2866
01:50:14,149 --> 01:50:12,320
there's a lot of and i've been angry for

2867
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:14,159
like 50 minutes and i haven't even said

2868
01:50:18,390 --> 01:50:16,800
anything so dude wow

2869
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:18,400
yeah it's amazing

2870
01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:19,920
that's how much that's how passionate

2871
01:50:24,149 --> 01:50:21,760
you are about this topic

2872
01:50:26,870 --> 01:50:24,159
that you can go that long being hangry

2873
01:50:28,950 --> 01:50:26,880
and still be with us it's incredible

2874
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:28,960
well well i appreciate it man i had a

2875
01:50:32,070 --> 01:50:30,320
great time thanks to everybody in the

2876
01:50:34,790 --> 01:50:32,080
chat um

2877
01:50:36,709 --> 01:50:34,800
too many to thank but uh i appreciate

2878
01:50:38,470 --> 01:50:36,719
everybody so much for being so

2879
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:38,480
supportive and keeping just a great

2880
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:40,960
polite uh respectful beautiful chat

2881
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:42,880
going um

2882
01:50:47,109 --> 01:50:44,800
you know that means the world to me and

2883
01:50:49,189 --> 01:50:47,119
i think that really sets the tone

2884
01:50:51,109 --> 01:50:49,199
for for what we can all do moving

2885
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:51,119
forward even unlike things like social

2886
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:53,360
media you know absolutely

2887
01:50:57,109 --> 01:50:54,719
absolutely

2888
01:50:59,270 --> 01:50:57,119
great well thanks so much man um and

2889
01:51:01,350 --> 01:50:59,280
thanks for your great open and and

2890
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:01,360
that that that uh

2891
01:51:05,990 --> 01:51:04,239
that wonderful account where we got

2892
01:51:07,910 --> 01:51:06,000
that we listened to earlier that was so

2893
01:51:09,990 --> 01:51:07,920
awesome yeah i loved the structure of

2894
01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:10,000
the show today it was so dope yeah it

2895
01:51:13,510 --> 01:51:11,360
was good

2896
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:13,520
thanks thanks to you man for reading

2897
01:51:16,709 --> 01:51:15,760
that damn thing lying for lying like a

2898
01:51:18,629 --> 01:51:16,719
trooper

2899
01:51:20,709 --> 01:51:18,639
and bringing the great analysis on it

2900
01:51:23,350 --> 01:51:20,719
and helping inform us all and enlighten

2901
01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:23,360
us all with your knowledge so my

2902
01:51:28,229 --> 01:51:25,840
absolute pleasure that was awesome and

2903
01:51:30,870 --> 01:51:28,239
uh i look forward to next week already i

2904
01:51:32,229 --> 01:51:30,880
love you man love you too brother

2905
01:51:42,430 --> 01:51:32,239
all right peace

2906
01:52:35,589 --> 01:51:54,790
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2907
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:37,270
do